Doctor Who Club of Australia

[dunmall]

fortunately most guys weren't interested in her accent

[Theta Sigma]

TV WEEK has placed the episode on October 7 in third place in its Picks of the Day. It came after The Bill & the Football.
Also the ever reliable Michael Idato gave it the thumbs up in the SMH Guide saying that fans will be gripped to the end and to get the tissues ready.

[SharazJek]

[Speckled Jim]

I guess the general consensus here is that Doomsday was a fantastic episode to end the season with, worthy of its title, with all the requisite suspense, action and emotion.
My thoughts are pretty much along these lines - apart from the emotional element! But first, the good stuff.....
Cyberman Vs Daleks? Awesome. Match of the century. I, like others, would've liked to have seen a bit more of the battle scene, but then people might be correct in saying too much war makes for boring telly. I dunno myself: I can watch swords clashing or lasers zapping for hours, me.
I really liked the Genesis Ark concept - yeah, it was labelled to deliberately throw fans, but the prison ship idea was excellent, and seeing it spin round and spit out an armada of pepperpots blended great action with humour. And since when did Daleks learn the art of sarcasm? "You are better at dying than Daleks" indeed ....
Overall, a top episode, and a well-constructed end to what was a fairly up and down season.
Now I hate to be the fly in the ointment, but the ending I found to have one too many lashings of cloying sentimentality. Fair enough, make it meaningful, and Billie Piper's acting was very moving, but the "I love you...." - I cringed into my beanbag!
RTD just can't help himself with the soapie stuff. For five seconds there Dr Who became Eastenders; it's a real hallmark of contemporary TV drama that we have to have our characters and storylines infused with wave after wave of emotional undercurrent, and this approach is hard to pull off without making things awfully cheesy. If you're going to knock up a tearjerker, don't spoonfeed your audience, and RTD does that with a cherry on top - Jackie and Pete running into each other's arms, Rose's stuttering, drawn-out confession of love - STOP IT!!!
So I seem to be alone in my own corner here, but please, no more gushing emotional gunk. You may as well get Spielberg to direct the show.
Oh, and before I go: how was it that the Void could pull in cybermen from halfway across the world with its unbelievably powerful suction capacity, yet Rose and the Doc could hang on to their clamps one-handed, only metres from its source, and not look like they were even breaking a sweat?
Anyway, great episode apart from those three choked-up words, and I'd love to see a long-lasting rivalry form between the Cybermen and Daleks now. Torchwood has a lot of potential for future stories, too.

[Theta Sigma]

Here is a good review of Doomsday with slight plot detail:
http://www.yourtv.com.au/reviews/index.cfm?i=92454

[montypython]

Like Tegan, I was crying at the end. Surely the Doctor could have said I love you, even after the transmission ended? He's been wanting to do it for at least as long as The Satan Pit! And as soon as I left the family room I was making more noise than I could imagine. I was sadder than Rose! Oh, I like to watch my Doctor Who DVDs regularly, but I don't want to have a repeat of the sadness I feel now. I like crying in POTW coz they kiss. I like crying in Dalek coz it says the woman you love. Can we connect the dots!

On a different note, interesting how creatures without emotion can make jokes.

I don't like that the bride appeared straight away. I would have preferred the new season start like Rose, with a gap from the last one. And if the Doctor holds Martha Jones's hand one too many times, I'll kill him.

I'll be going shopping with my friend on Tuesday, and she always asks me about Doctor Who, even though she doesn't want it. I'm afraid I'll start crying if I talk about it!

Time to read Doctor/Rose love stories on fanfiction.net.

[Tegan]

[The_Master]

They could bring back The Rani and The Master, and The Raston Warrior Robot (That thing kicked butt!)

[Commander]

[Drax]

Great end to a great series.

Unfortunately I think the final parting was overdone - as SJ points out I think its now considered compulsory for a modern TV series.

I personally think well constructed understatement can be far more poignant.

Think back to the classics:
"I'll miss you too, savage"
or the silent credits rolling over Adric's smashed gold star...

[montypython]

[montypython]

2000: A 9-year-old girl loses her seemingly healthy mother to a heart attack.
2006: A 16-year-old-girl watches as the 2 main characters in a ficitonal, scripted TV show are parted from each other forever.

Guess which one caused the most tears!

[montypython]

Rose told the Daleks how she destroyed the Emperor. That means she remembers taking the time vortex into herself. Does that mean she remembers how it got out of her?

[Dazzler]

I really, really enjoyed this episode. I was a little excited when I heard "Genesis Ark" but I didn't mind it too much when I found out it was a bunch of Daleks crammed into that box.

The emotion was nice, but I was a bit surprised when it abruptly cut to the Bride at the end. Still, it's good to see he's not mourning and he's moving on. He's had so many companions, I'm sure he's used to things like that happening.

Great episode! It more than makes up for some of the not so good episodes of this season.

[charlie]

What an ending, again.
I'm getting a little sick of new who. It just isn't the same. Particularly the cybermen. They used to be humans in robot suits with emotions removed. Now they're just robots that suposedly have gooy brains. I mean, downloading protocal for being cybercontroller? They can think for themselves! they don't use software! They're almost total rip offs of the Borg now. What's going on here? Hartman was the closest one there to a real Who cyberman.

I am enjoying the music though. I like that since chrissy invasion they've had that great mysterious music in almost every episode and they wrapped it all up with a remix of it that seemed very much like a conclusion to the mystery. Does anyone know if the BBC will be releasing a soundtrack? I wish Rose did die but the music and the dream made up for it.

But onto this bride. I can't wait to see her. I looks like she doesn't want to be there and is perhaps a bit of a b**ch. I hope that she has more of an Ian outlook on travelling with the Doctor, rather than this 'exciting alien adventure' thing that Rose did.

[Theta Sigma]

This episode was broadcast in the UK on July 8 the same day that one of the original Dalek and Cybermen voices Peter Hawkins passed away. So this post is dedicated to him.

For the first time the Daleks and Cybermen meet. It is also the first time that the Tenth Doctor has met the Daleks but not for David Tennant as he starred in the Dalek Empire III audio series produced by Big Finish.*
Absolutely hilarious when that Dalek describe the Cybermen as pest control and that the Cybermen are better at dying.
Tracy Ann Oberman is superb as Yvonne Hartman and it is amazing she still did her duty even as a Cyber(wo)man. Pity from what I have heard she is not a regular in the Torchwood spin-off herself.
From the Doctor Who Reference Guide, Yvonne Hartman was apparently named after the character Yvonne Hartley in the Big Finish Cybermen story Spare Parts.
Andrew Hayden-Smith (Jake) and Shaun Dingwall (Pete) were able to appear in this episode as it was recorded in the same block with Rise of the Cybermen/Age of Steel.
Wow Wow Wow. Seeing all those Daleks coming out of the Genesis Ark and when the Cybermen and the Daleks were sucked into the void.
I was very close to tears upon seeing the Doctor's last moments with Rose but then all of a sudden comes the Bride. The storyline of the Bride was originally intended to be the sixth episode in this season. This means that if things gone the way they originally supposed to, we would know by now what this was all about. I suppose the wait is going to be worth it. Coincidentally a bride also appeared in The Last Detective episode Towpaths Of Glory which was on an hour after Doomsday ended.

The end credits says that Doctor Who will return in The Runaway Bride at Christmas but this was not in the ABC broadcast. Hopefully this would only mean that The Runaway Bride won't be shown in Christmas in Australia in order not to confuse the audience.

After Doomsday ended saw Rose again when I turned on UKTV to catch the last bits of End of the World as I was waiting for The Professionals.


*I began relistening to Dalek Empire III on Thursday. This is completely coincidental and was not intended to coincide with Doomsday's transmission as I have been relistening to the previous Dalek Empire CDs for some time now.

[charlie]

[Firestarter]

[quote="Commander"][quote="Speckled Jim"]Now I hate to be the fly in the ointment, but the ending I found to have one too many lashings of cloying sentimentality. Fair enough, make it meaningful, and Billie Piper's acting was very moving, but the "I love you...." - I cringed into my beanbag!
RTD just can't help himself with the soapie stuff. For five seconds there Dr Who became Eastenders; it's a real hallmark of contemporary TV drama that we have to have our characters and storylines infused with wave after wave of emotional undercurrent, and this approach is hard to pull off without making things awfully cheesy. If you're going to knock up a tearjerker, don't spoonfeed your audience, and RTD does that with a cherry on top - Jackie and Pete running into each other's arms, Rose's stuttering, drawn-out confession of love - STOP IT!!!
So I seem to be alone in my own corner here, but please, no more gushing emotional gunk. [/quote]


No no, your comment just made my day.

Yaaaaay she's goooooone!!!! Shame about Mickey though - he was a good one.

Now my thoughts: Tennant has come of his 900 or so years as the Doctor - top performance.

Re: peoples comments on the daleks having personality etc: These ones were supposedly designed (genetically altered..again) to think like the enemy...like timelords....with emotions.

Like others, I would have enjoyed seeing more fighting between Daleks and Cybermen, but y'know the Cybers would never win....now if they were from Mondas .

Sec was good...the other Daleks were duds really. Yvonne Hartman's conversion may have been only half done, as the Cyber's supervising proceded to create a new Leader after the other one died - i guess she could have freed herself - she must have still had some flesh remaining to 'cry' - her voice wasnt changed afterall.

Good to see that the Doctor [u]began[/u] moving on, pretty much straight away - I didn't REALLY like her either mate

All in all, a pretty dismal season IMO. With the exception of Fireplace, the single parters we're pretty appaling, but the doubles were better than Season One.

Hopefully Martha can bring some plationic (pleeease) zest back to the show.[/quote]

God I so agree. For me the whole Rose character just made me want to punch someone. RTD really needs to learn that the series is called Dr Who and [u]not[/u] Rose Tyler. Let's just hope the next companion simply is there to help the Dr and not to have the series based around them.

[Greg]

[Tegan]