Doctor Who Club of Australia

Mister Andersen · Joined: 13 Aug 2008 Posts: 36

Why on Earth didn't the Doctor just use the Chameleon Arch on Donna instead of leaving her with a fricking time bomb in her head?

Ickabod · Joined: 26 Jun 2005 Posts: 552 Location: far far away

Davros · Joined: 29 Jun 2005 Posts: 141 Location: Skaro

Ickabod · Joined: 26 Jun 2005 Posts: 552 Location: far far away

^That's a possibilty and not a bad one either Cool

He wanted to be The Doctor when little and she is from The Doctor in a sense...... Shocked

montypython · Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:01 pm Post subject:

montypython · Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 4:34 pm Post subject:

Theta Sigma · Joined: 26 Jun 2005 Posts: 4429

The regeneration at the beginning was a cheat. There is no other way to describe it.
Funny hearing the Dalek say "Exterminate" in German!
Having gotten used to Jack's resurrection abilities, on first viewing did not realise that Rose would not have known about it since she last saw him.
SJA virgins got to see Sarah's sonic lipstick for the first time.
Felt scared for a few moments that Jackie was going to be killed by the reality bomb before she teleported just in time.
Funny when Jack called Mickey, Mickey Mouse.
Rose and Martha finally gets to meet each other.
Davros had previously fired electricity from his hand in Revelation of the Daleks. It may have something to do with the fact that Journey's End director Graeme Harper was the director of Revelation of the Daleks.
Finally an explanation establishing an connection between Gwyneth (from The Unquiet Dead) and Torchwood's Gwen both played by Eve Myles. In an interview with DWM, Russell T Davies denied that there was any link between the characters saying that the two names are very common in Wales. So either he was lying at the time or change his mind later on. If it was the latter did he do so on his own volition or did he yielded to fan pressure to provide an explanation.
Very funny when the Doctor told Jackie not to do anything at the TARDIS console.
In an interview with Digital Spy, Lis Sladen says that this could be her last appearance as Sarah on the parent Doctor Who series. So Sarah fans are going to have to be content with seeing her in The Sarah Jane Adventures.
Missing from the ABC1 broadcast is the trailer for this year's Christmas special which came at the end. I am thinking that the ABC has not got the rights to it yet and hence they omit it from the broadcast.

Confidential Cutdown: End of An Era:
Interesting seeing the shooting of Davros' last moments (?)
Interesting how the two Tenth Doctors were filmed.
Quite agreed with Julie Gardner's comment that the Doctor needs to be in pain.
Billie made the allusion to Beauty and the Beast with her being the beauty Belle. Belle happens to be the name of the character she played in Secret Diary of A Call Girl.
Very sad to see Donna's last TARDIS scene being shot.
Good montage of Donna.

An old schoolfriend of mine emailed me saying that she saw Journey's End and thought it was pretty good. In almost 20 years that I have known her I have never taken her to be a Doctor Who fan and that email was the first time she has ever mentioned Doctor Who to me. Felt very heartening that she watched the show as she is my dearest of friends.

montypython · Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:12 pm Post subject:

I did it! After watching the episode once, and Confidential twice, I finally cried when watching the Bad Wolf Bay scene. Well, my eyes just got wet, but that's good enough for me.

I have been pressing on the Gwen/Gwyneth issue for some time, so it was good to see it finally recognised.

1380 · Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 10:28 pm Post subject:

WOW?!

I'd heard that this finale would be of a shopping list format. That wasn't something that really worried me, but it did have me nervous... would the whole story fit together? And it did. Sure, it was piece after piece, but all those little moments were greta, and they added up to something even greater:

Doctor Who's Best Finale Yet!!!!!

I loved the very end, it was my favourite part. The companion doesn't die, not really, but for the Doctor, she does. When the Doctor says he's going Donna simply dismisses him. And then Wilfred say he'll look up each night (a nice moment) we know that's over for the two of them. And there's even rain, not stereotypically, but perfectly.
Then the Doctor goes into his TARDIS, sad, cold, and with his lonely emotions clear on his face, and the season ends. A prefect, sad, emotional ending.

I am sooo thankful there was no, "What? What? What?!" as someone has already said, as it would have ruined the moment, just like when Rose left.

The oddest thing about watching this was that I'd already seen the two-parter on YouTube, twice (yeah, I cheated! I know I'm bad..). So I could watch everyone's reaction to what hapenned. But that wasn't really the case, as I found myself just as shocked about everything as they were. It's now obvious that watching shows on Youtube doesn't compare to watching things on TV - at all. Like someone has already said in this forum, I was worried about the ABC cutting the episode short.. But they didn't! It was great! And for the K9 scene and the Earth-dragged-through-space parts, I hadn't been able to find them on Youtube. So there still surprises for me too! (W00t! K9!)

And Davros was brilliant. His ranting near the end wasn't shamefully stereotypical, and really showed how maniacal he has become. The Emperor Dalek was great, because it looked like the type that I'd expect in the classic series! And Caan was great too. My family laughed everytime he spoke, sigh, but I thought he was creepy and intriguing.

And I'm not completely happy with the Rose/Doctordonna thing. She's gonan realise there's a different personality in her own Doctor eventually. Not that that should matter so much. But as strange as it seemed, I suppose it really is a great solution for Rose and the Doctordonna. Or is this one the Donnadoctor? Anyway...

My complaint is the very, very, very end. Right at the end of the credits we hear the Cybermen stomping (the beginning of the Xmas Special trailer) that was in the episode's credits on Youtube. But the ABC cut these exciting ten or so seconds off.. And when I stayed up really late for the Confidential, that didn't have the Cyberman trailer after it, as I hoped was possible.

Ayway, sadder finale than Survival, bigger finale than anything else on TV, and one that leaves Moffat very capable of making the series nice and dark.

Oh? There's next year's specials first? O.O I wonder...Google!

Firestarter · Joined: 18 Sep 2006 Posts: 20

Too much Rose = fails miserably!!!

charlie · Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 4:18 pm Post subject:

I hated this, but I loved it. I detested it, but I aplored it. I vommit this, but I bathe in it. How can one episode be so great and so terrible? Because it was a movie. That was the TV movie all over again- fanwanking to the extreme but still a great who experience and yet not quite how it should be. i will never forget this.

Donna's doctoring was great but her 'death' was a cop out almost as big as Rose's but I'll accept it cause that's what happenbed to Jamie and girl. The Daleks and Davros were as good as could be hoped but the regeneration was another cop out. The second regeneration was predictable but still ground breaking for Doctor Who and rather enjoyable. I'm also glad they didn't waste another genration. We don;'t have too many left.

Mister Andersen · Joined: 13 Aug 2008 Posts: 36

Theta Sigma · Joined: 26 Jun 2005 Posts: 4429

Ickabod · Joined: 26 Jun 2005 Posts: 552 Location: far far away

^God I hope not!!! I want an Alien or even Mickey.....

Great episode and enjoyed it without to much fanwanking.....I think both David and Chris are great as the Doctor....and I loved John Simm as The Master Cool

montypython

1380 · Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 2:10 am Post subject: Donna's Memories Will Live On

Donna's departure was a tragedy, for those who saw her leave the Doctor, and for herself. The memories of two of the Doctor's companions, Jamie and Zoe, have already suffered similar losses. But Donna's is the most tragic of all. And there is nothing that can be done for her. Donna Noble has forgotten. Forever.

Jamie and Zoe were granted just a little of their memory of their time with the Doctor. They would only remember their first adventure together - Highlanders for Jamie, Wheel in Space for Zoe. But Donna won't ever remember anything. She won't even remember meeting the Doctor in the Christmas Invasion. And worse, she never can. While the Doctor can still go back to visit Jamie and Zoe, which he probably has, he can never again talk to Donna as himself. The Donna he knew, the Donna she became, is dead.

But the real tragedy will continue for Donna. She really became someone with the Doctor. She had unforgettable experiences, she laughed and cried in other galaxies, she saw more of the universe than almost any human of her time ever will. But those memories have gone, leaving her to be Donna Noble. Not the adventurous, happy Donna. Just Donna Noble, an unsuccessful temp living a mediocre life. Her future will probably be a simple, ordinary one. And all her dreams of travelling among the stars, and her realisation that she was actually out there in the universe, that she mattered, will be gone forever.

Donna Noble is not dead. She lives on. But the Donna Noble that she became, in a living dream that passed too quickly, is dead. Gone. But not forgotten. Not while there are still people alive to carry her memories with them. And Wilfred Mott, one of those people, will look up at the sky each night. To remember... for Donna.

DrJones · Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 10:07 am Post subject:

Well, I have just seen this episode. I missed it when it aired so I watched it last night. On first viewing, my reactions are very mixed.

Things that stand out in my mind was everything involving Donna Noble and the moment of The Doctor departing alone again. Donna becoming part Timelord was not as bad as I thought t would be. In fact it was brilliant, and Tennant and Tate played it so well. Gosh the chemistry with that pair is fabulous! They play off each other so well.

Disappointing bits was Rose returning to Bad Wolf Bay with Doctor 10.5 and that kiss. oh Please..I kind of liked the fact that she loved him, but the fact that it was unrequited or a not very practical love, but sealing it all with a kiss and The Doctor 10.5 going all gooey eyed etc destoyed a bit of the mystery of all that for me. I also find it odd for him to have a human double who came across somewhat dopey compared to his Timelord self. But then also very Doctor Who that Timelord Doctor left Rose alone with his other self whther she liked it or not. That was kind of redeeming in a sense. Other disappointemt is that it felt a little like we were visiting a variation of the finale of series 1. Daleks destroying the world again and that Jack and Rose were there just like before. But, I did like the Daleks making The Doctor vulnerable, so that was not all bad. And Davros was great. So it was somewhat redeemed there I suppose. The earth being towed back was a bit Red Dwarf or Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy like though. Mmm, have to think about that bit.

Things that I think are always funny about these things though, is that at crunch time, it is usually The Doctor's female companion that saves him. Rose looking into the heart of the Tardis, Martha dealing with The Master and now Donna realiseing that she could use The Doctor's hand for something to get the Tardis back etc. and then use her skills in combo with the Doctor's mind to save them all. So go girls! I like that!

I liked it, mainly for Donna and The Doctor moments. But it was not as good as the finale to Series 3, but it was still very, very good. If there was a 4.5 I would give it that.

A long wait til the next series, but with Moffat at the helm and Tennant still on board a bit longer, it should be well worth the wait. I think that Moffat will take it to the next level again. He is my favourite Doctor Who writer.

On a series note though..I am still getting used to the fact that The Doctor is no longer ingonito. He is a bit of a superhero now, and that the Earth knows all the things that are going on, and nothing is wiped through a timeline or the like. I liked it better when The Doctor just did things on Earth, and the population was none the wiser, yet he went through so much to save them.

mortigitempo · Joined: 30 Jul 2006 Posts: 30

this was terrible.

1380 · Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 6:49 pm Post subject: ????

Hmmm...
The whole thing was just fan craziness, it didn't seem to be a proper story.
But there really were some great, very memorable moments throughout it, so it's hard to decide how good it was... The whole thing together wasn't very good, but if you take out a five-minute segment then you'd get something awesome.

.... hmmm .........

DrJones · Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 8:32 pm Post subject:

Actually thinking further about it..I think the episode can be described in one word "lumpy".

Lots of hits and misses.