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Doctor Who 3.8: 'Human Nature' 7:30 18/7/07 ABC
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What did you think of Human Nature?
Excellent
77%
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Very Good
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Good
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Average
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dave



Joined: 26 Jun 2005
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Location: Brisbane, Queensland

PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2007 1:42 pm    Post subject: Doctor Who 3.8: 'Human Nature' 7:30 18/7/07 ABC Reply with quote

This season just seems to keep getting better. Human Nature was a great episode, and took its time to develop the story nicely. I was a bit surprised by the beginning, and wondered for a second if it had somehow started in the middle.

The Jack Straws look great, I'm looking forward to seeing more lumbering scarecrows next episode. The people playing members of the family have done a good job too - the way they all tilted their heads and sniffed in that scene was very alien. Truly frightening.

My favourite line of all came when Mr Smith mentioned his parents: his father, Sydney, and his mother, Verity. Hilarious. A nice nod to the creator and first producer of DW.

It's also good to see the Doctor trusting Martha enough to put his life in her hands, so to speak. She seems to handle being a servant rather well, I must say. The scenes where she returns to the TARDIS and we get to see more of what happened in the beginning were touching, I really felt her confusion when she didn't know what to do.

I've heard rumours that Freema may not be returning next season, and I hope they're wrong. I think she's doing a great job as companion, and hope she sticks around for a season or two more. Just so long as they don't tread the same path as they did with Rose.

I gave this an 'excellent'.
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Tegan



Joined: 16 Apr 2006
Posts: 405
Location: Brisbane, Australia

PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2007 6:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Human Nature (SPOILERS) Reply with quote

dave wrote:

My favourite line of all came when Mr Smith mentioned his parents: his father, Sydney, and his mother, Verity. Hilarious. A nice nod to the creator and first producer of DW.

I gave this an 'excellent'.


I loved the Sydney and Verity reference too, and done in a totally natural way. I do hope Freema stays on for at least another series. She's proving to be one of the best companions ever, and in a very short time.

The one reason I voted just short of excellent is that I think next week will be at least as well written, and have somewhat more tension, and I'd have nowhere to go!

I especially loved the way the Doctor used the cricket ball to save the baby in the pram. That was a truly Dr Who way of doing it, and I immediately thought of (my) fifth Doctor.

The young student Tim keeps opening the watch. He has to have a big influence in the second part. I'm just wondering if it going to have resonance in future episodes.

Superficially similar to Cornell's book of the same name, but different enough that I simply can't guess what is coming next.
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uhumanite



Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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Location: Sydney

PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2007 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did so love this episode (one of my favs) I only hope part 2 "Family of Blood" is even better.

Did you see the images of the past Doctors? I noticed 8th,7th,1st,6th and 5th Smile
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dave



Joined: 26 Jun 2005
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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2007 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I paused it at that scene and could clearly identify the 8th, 7th and 5th Doctors. Couldn't tell who was s'posed to be top right, but I've seen people say it was the 9th, and the 1st. The 9th would make more sense to me.
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meglos



Joined: 29 Jun 2005
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Location: Perth

PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2007 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Best of the season so far, I hope part 2 is just as good. I did'nt see the images of the past doctors, which scene was that?
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arturo



Joined: 03 Jul 2005
Posts: 78
Location: Toowoomba

PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2007 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't want to speak too soon but this could be the best episode of the new series so far IMHO. I loved the alienness of the family and thought the period setting was captured perfectly.

I'm really puzzled by the images shown of the future of marriage and children with the lovely Joan. I gave it 5 stars but my fiance only thought it is worth four. She reckons I've been saying that each episode is the best ever all season. Heh heh heh.... mebbe I'm becoming predictable.

The Verity and Sidney references and the pics of old docs are the things that set apart the Uber-nerds from the pack (of which I am one.... no offence intended.)
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Tom N.



Joined: 07 Jul 2005
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Location: Sydney, NSW

PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2007 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ladies and gentlemen, I think we have a winner! Very Happy

What a fantastic episode - this was definitely the best one we've seen in a considerable time, and might even rival The Girl in the Fireplace for sheer brilliance.

Love the Family of Blood (very creepy), love the period setting, love the relationship between John and Joan (and extra-special kudos to David Tennant who is excellent as both the Doctor and Mr Smith).

Freema Agyeman continues to impress as Martha - as Dave said, I hope she doesn't leave too soon. She certainly deserves to stay on longer.

Got a big laugh out of the Sydney & Verity reference, and the Doctor/Smith's journal was great. It didn't feel like a continuity reference at all, rather an acknowledgement of its place in the show's history. Which is how it should be. Smile

I don't want to sound overly gushy, but this has to be one of the best episodes of the new series, and probably one of the best ever. Fantastic stuff.
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El_Zoof



Joined: 30 Nov 2005
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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2007 1:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brilliant. Well and truly out of the slump, it tops last week's fun little diversion and the dreadfully dreary three weeks before that with aplomb.

And, of course, the inevitable criticism... "You had to go and fall in love with a human..." (here it comes oh god please no) "...and it wasn't me." And there we have it, folks - the worst line of the season - not because of the sentiment, but because it was totally unnecessary. We knew what she meant, whether we agree with the idea of romance or not. It just felt painful.

Ah well. I'm sure that part two will more than do this justice... and the sonic ex machina won't save the day!
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Todd
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Joined: 26 Jun 2005
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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2007 7:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow. Utterly Superb. Well done to all...
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dave



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Location: Brisbane, Queensland

PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2007 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

meglos wrote:
Best of the season so far, I hope part 2 is just as good. I did'nt see the images of the past doctors, which scene was that?


It was on one of the pages of his journal, the one with drawings of a number of people's faces on it. The faces were all of previous Doctors.
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meglos



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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2007 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers Dave. I spotted it whilst watching "Confidential".
Had to be quick though Smile
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dave



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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2007 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a screenshot of the page in question:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/82/Past_doctors.jpg

According to Wikipedia, from L to R, top to bottom, we have the 7th, 8th, 1st, 6th and 5th Doctors.
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meglos



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Location: Perth

PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2007 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Smile
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Tusker



Joined: 26 Apr 2007
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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2007 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agree all round, best so far. I really thought this series wasn't up to scratch, but not now.

The Doctors in the notebook are identified on the BBC site too. There's also a reference there as to what character we can expect next week..

Regards
Max P
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Tegan



Joined: 16 Apr 2006
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Location: Brisbane, Australia

PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2007 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On subsequent viewing, I picked up these little gems in the episode.

The Doctor to Martha just at the start when trying to escape the Family of Blood, when Martha points out he has a Time Machine. He explains:
"Stolen technology. They've got a Time Agent's Vortex Manipulator."

When "Headmaster Smith" is walking past a troupe of kiddies "marching as to... school" they sing:
He who would valiant be
Against all disaster
Let him in constancy
Follow the Master...


When Baines stumbles onto the Family of Blood's invisible spaceship they ask his name:
My name's Baines. Jeremy Baines. Please can I go?
I'm so sorry, Baines, Jeremy Baines.
But I don't think you can ever leave.


Straight out of Doctor Who script writer Douglas Adams little known story "The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy":

Hurry up Dent, Arthur Dent, or you'll be late.

Laughed like a drain, I did.
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Theta Sigma



Joined: 26 Jun 2005
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read the ebook some years ago when it first became available but I vaguely remember now what the story was all about as I haven't reread it. This is of benefit to me watching the episode as I was gripped by the tension of the episode. Jessica, who I have been seeing in Spaced alongside The Long Game guest star Simon Pegg, is very good as Joan the love interest to Smith (aka the Doctor) and Harry Lloyd is wonderfully evil as the possessed Baines.
To add to all this an excellent cliffhanger in which at gunpoint Smith has to choose between Martha and Joan. What a difficult choice he has been given.
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Speckled Jim



Joined: 14 Jul 2006
Posts: 138
Location: Auckland, Un Zud

PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, a fantastic story so far, and more than anything else I'm overawed by David Tennant's acting prowess. I've seen him in Casanova, Who, Harry Potter and he's proved to be a diverse actor of great talent in all those shows/films, but in Human Nature I think he really excels - he's got that bumbling Edwardian conservatism down pat, and while we can see the Doctor in Mr Smith, there are completely new elements he brings to the character. I want DT to carry on in this role for years ... please stay dude, you're loved immensely ....

El_Zoof wrote:
And, of course, the inevitable criticism... "You had to go and fall in love with a human..." (here it comes oh god please no) "...and it wasn't me." And there we have it, folks - the worst line of the season - not because of the sentiment, but because it was totally unnecessary. We knew what she meant, whether we agree with the idea of romance or not. It just felt painful!


Agreed. I'm sick of being spoonfed great clumps of sickening romance in the new series. If they insist on bringing the oh-so-90s "sexual tension" factor into the show (which, let's face it, died with Mulder and Scully), can we not have it forced down our throats? Anyway, apart from this very minor downer, a great episode.
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SharazJek



Joined: 12 Aug 2005
Posts: 902
Location: Hobart, Tasmania

PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speckled Jim wrote:
El_Zoof wrote:
And, of course, the inevitable criticism... "You had to go and fall in love with a human..." (here it comes oh god please no) "...and it wasn't me." And there we have it, folks - the worst line of the season - not because of the sentiment, but because it was totally unnecessary. We knew what she meant, whether we agree with the idea of romance or not. It just felt painful!


Agreed. I'm sick of being spoonfed great clumps of sickening romance in the new series. If they insist on bringing the oh-so-90s "sexual tension" factor into the show (which, let's face it, died with Mulder and Scully), can we not have it forced down our throats? Anyway, apart from this very minor downer, a great episode.


I agree. As a fan of the show this is annoying. But this is the kind of thing that brings the casual viewer, and particularly the female casual viewer, back for more.
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montypython



Joined: 25 Jan 2006
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Location: My own little world

PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Upon hearing summaries and spoilers for this episode, I was scared. Scared of the idea of the Doctor being human, falling in love, etc. But I absolutely loved this. It was well written and very mysterious. Martha was great (apart from the mentioned line), it was good to see her coping so well. The only problem I really had was that stupid little kid, opening the watch that wasn't his, and then stealing it. Big no no!

Before Baites was possessed, my dad remarked that he was very much like the School Bully from Ripping Yarns - Tomkinson's School Days.
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charlie



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Location: Currarong (never heard of it?! Its near Nowra. What?! Nowra's below The Gong!)

PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I'm getting a bit tired of random aliens showing up in random periods of history and them inhabiting humans but still needing identical, normally static minions, but that was very good.

Loved the acting except for Martha's friend trying to be scary. Loved the mystery and intrigue in the episode; great to see that back.

Sadly I missed the other Doctor's but that doesn't matter. But... recently I said that we could dismiss the eighth Doctor because he was just one movie and so uncannical and then go on to have one extra doctor; as long as he stays out of the show. Now he has been in the show and we have to accept him no matter how much we don't want to. Crying or Very sad



Did they really let boys beat each other when misbehaving? That's the first time I've ever come across that.
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