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Theta Sigma
Joined: 26 Jun 2005
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| Karin Bishop in the SMH Guide gave the episode a thumbs up. It started off with her saying "I like the new Dr Who". However what follows is not so flattering to the Doctor Who of old. It was really more of a preview rather than a review as she only describes what is going on. |
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Theta Sigma
Joined: 26 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 10:57 am Post subject: |
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| Prior to Art Safari last night saw the Saturday line up trailer which includes Rise of the Cybermen. The shot of a Cyberman breaking in I thought was a bit too much for viewers to see prior to its broadcast. As someone who already seen it that particular shot took me aback as I was watching it. |
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Theta Sigma
Joined: 26 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Last night saw an ad of the episode just prior to At The Movies in which the Doctor and Rose are standing with other people and Rose making searches on her phone. Definitely had mysterious aura to it. After At The Movies the Saturday line-up ad again. |
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phase5
Joined: 07 May 2006
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| Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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"Rise of the Cybermen" gets off to a bad start with the Doctor and Rose treating Mickey like something they forgot to wipe off their shoes before re-entering the Tardis. Sadly there are one to many moments throughout series two where the Doctor & Rose behave in a very questionable fashion which left me very disappointed with the two "heroes" of the show.
Once we get going however its largely a rehash of story ideas from last season for the most part before the Cybermen** turn up. In part two there's a lot of running around, a scene straight out of a Star Trek "Borg" episode and not much else.
After all the hype surrounding the return of the Cybermen I found this little outing disappointing and a little flat. Yes, it's a fun romp which looks good, but there was an opporunity here to do so much more; that was missed completely in favour of lots of explosions.
** Aren't he Cybermen supposed to come from Mondas? At least the writers could have covered this story point by referring to alternate Earth as "Mondas" or somesuch. |
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Darth Sidious
Joined: 27 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 2:29 am Post subject: |
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This is quite possibly (along with Age of Steel) the best use of the Cybermen ever. It actually succeeds in making Tomb look second rate and dated. I'm sure in 10 years time people will remember ROTC/Age of Steel as the definitive Cybermen story.
Dunno why people liked Tomb so much though. Most overrated classic series story IMHO with dodgy sets and an close to racist cliche with Toberman. |
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Speckled Jim
Joined: 14 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 9:39 am Post subject: |
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So this is where Season 2 finally kicks into gear. I was getting worried for a mo...
People seem a bit concerned about the continuity in regard to other Cyberman stories, and the Mondas connection. But the new Who is all about reinvention, and I think this was a sterling job at tracing the birth of Cybermen from a different perspective (the "parallel universe" thing can degenerate into a cop-out if executed poorly in sci-fi, but it's never overplayed here). The parody of modern life was great - the swipe at bluetooth, the obsession with trivia (downloading the "joke of the day"??) and that great line about "You lot are always obsessed with upgrades, aren't you?"
What was hugely noticeable, though, was just how much better this show can be when it's not hastily crammed into a 45-minute format - and did it make me pine for the days of the cliffhanger episode or what!
And finally:
- Mickey doesn't suck so much anymore... hmmm, could've been wrong about this guy;
- Rose the dog: brilliant;
- "Delete! Delete!" - may this show never stop its hilarious self-referencing; and
- Tennant rocks, he's up there with Baker 1 and McCoy. |
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Theta Sigma
Joined: 26 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 10:51 am Post subject: |
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| Prior to ABC News last night saw the "They Feel No Pain..." ad. My niece was in the room at the time and she was very scared by it. |
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charlie
Joined: 08 Dec 2005
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Location: Currarong (never heard of it?! Its near Nowra. What?! Nowra's below The Gong!)
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| Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Darth Sidious wrote: | This is quite possibly (along with Age of Steel) the best use of the Cybermen ever. It actually succeeds in making Tomb look second rate and dated. I'm sure in 10 years time people will remember ROTC/Age of Steel as the definitive Cybermen story.
Dunno why people liked Tomb so much though. Most overrated classic series story IMHO with dodgy sets and an close to racist cliche with Toberman. |
Tomb has become my favourite story ever for the simple reason that I never get tired of it. It may be so highly regarded because it features many archetypes (or stereotypes) that have been used through all history in great stories. One of the most notable things that I've noticed is how similar Kleeg (logicman) and his wife to Macbeth and Lady Macbeth, in particular that scene when they are locked in the testing room.
Another thing is the quality of the special effects (cept the cable when Toberman is lifted and cybersuit when a cyberman is lifted). Many of the effects are as good as they could have been. The gun is far superior to MANY of the guns in later stories (especially the 80's). It still scares me a little when the accordian vest melts.
The story is also great and is just the right length. Music is well chosen. The acting is pretty good too.
I love it. |
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SharazJek
Joined: 12 Aug 2005
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| Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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After seeing the whole season a couple of times now, I have to say that Rise of the Cybermen is without doubt the best episode of 2006 in terms of pacing and direction. I couldn't have wished for a better comeback for my favourite villains.
For me it truly is the stuff of nightmares. |
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Dazzler
Joined: 08 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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I really, really enjoyed this episode. We kept getting sneak peeks of the Cybermen, but it was all blurry so it wasn't until the end we got the full picture! Great way to keep us on our toes, anticipating the final look of the Cybermen. Rose's acting is quite good in this episode, and I'm enjoying Mickey's role more and more.
I also like the concept of a parallel universe, and world, so that certain things are different and seeing Rose the little doggie was a great laugh! Especially the Doctor's reaction to seeing it. I'm quite impressed with this new writer, it's got a great pace and excitement to it with some brilliant jokes! Like Mickey holding down the button for too long! Hehe! |
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charlie
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Even better the second time! Seeing it again I relise how similar it really is to Genesis. Turn left, turn right and so forth. The director likes the smashing of huge party windows. How many times does it happen in the series I wonder. Spotted Torchwood about four times this week. The Doctor has alot of difficulty in removing cabling doesn't he?
Damn that blinking guy!
"BUT WE SURRENDER!" Patrick Troughton |
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Commander
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Obviously being in a parallell universe, the Cybermen were created by Lumic instead, and thus wouldnt recognise the Doctor as their enemy.
Im actually kinda annoyed at Rose (again) this week. It irritates me that she seemingly thinks she can walk in to a situation and offer people advice, forgetting her 'position' (that of staff) doing so.
Noel Clarke - great work again.
Tennant is good, and I actually really enjoyed the scenes he shared between he and Clarke - especially inside the TARDIS.
Lumic is great, obviously the new Vaughn.
Cybermen-wise, its clear that as previously stated, ''Delete'' is the new ''exterminate'':
"You will be deleted"..."You will be Ex-term-in-ated"
"Delete Delete Delete" "Exterminate, Exterminate, Exterminate"
Better than I expected, but Fireplace is still my favourite so far. |
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Dazzler
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| Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 10:58 am Post subject: |
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| By the way, did anyone feel that the scene where Rose and the Doctor are watching all those people come to a standstill was a rip-off of an old Stargate SG-1 episode where the people in a village do the exact same thing because information is being downloaded into them via a technological connection? Or is this a popular concept in sci-fi? |
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Theta Sigma
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| Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Dazzler wrote: | | By the way, did anyone feel that the scene where Rose and the Doctor are watching all those people come to a standstill was a rip-off of an old Stargate SG-1 episode where the people in a village do the exact same thing because information is being downloaded into them via a technological connection? Or is this a popular concept in sci-fi? |
I completely forgotten about that SG-1 episode until you mention it.
Roger Lloyd-Pack was David Tennant's on-screen father in Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire, Here he plays John Lumic who is obviously a mix between Dalek creator Davros and Tobias Vaughn from the 1968 Cybermen serial The Invasion. The Invasion will be on DVD in a forthcoming release.
Graeme Harper director of the classic series serials Caves of Androzani & Revelation of the Daleks becomes the first classic series director to direct in the new series with this Cyberman adventure. In fact he is now one of the few people to direct for both the Daleks and the Cybermen.
Jackie's 40th birthday party (although she insists she is 39) is an in-joke to this year 2006 being the 40th anniversary of the Cybermen's first ever appearance when they appeared in the final First Doctor serial The Tenth Planet in 1966.
Jackie says that she was born on the same day as that of Cuba Gooding Jr. The date in the episode has been mentioned to be February 1 yet Gooding was actually on January 2 1968. Since it is a parallel world it could be possible that the Gooding of this world was born on a different day to that of Gooding of our world.
Funny that Rose of this world turns out to be a dog.
Playing Mr Crane is Colin Spaull and it is no coincidence that he was in Revelation of the Daleks directed by Harper. What is a coincidence though is the fact that he was in last week's Last Detective episode Dangerous and the Lonely Hearts alongside Peter Davison.
International Electromatics was also the name of the company that Tobias Vaughn ran in the aforementioned Invasion serial.
Appearing as the President is Don Warrington. He was School Reunion guest star Tony Head's co-star in the TV series Manchild and like Head, has also appeared in the Big Finish audios.
There is a contradiction with Mickey's history here. In the new series' first episode upon thinking that Mickey was dead, Rose said that she had to tell his mother about his death. Here Rose says that Mickey's grandmother has been the one who was under Mickey's care.
"What are you doing there/here" lines when Mickey and Rickey saw each other was quite fun.
Funny of all the people they could have come into the party as, the Doctor and Rose came in as servants.
Rose reacted in surprise that there was a President not a Prime Minister. A little education here they are countries that has both a President and a Prime Minister just in case you have always thought that each country has one or the other and not both. Even the US has a Prime Minister only he is called the Speaker of the House of Representatives.
Even though I seen this episode before the Cybermen break in still took me aback.
"Exterminate" has always been the word to associate the Daleks. Prior to Rise of the Cybermen, the Cybermen never had one word that associates them. Now they finally have one, "DELETE".
Wow what a cliffhanger.
This is the first time that the words "To be continued" has ever appeared in a Doctor Who episode. Prior to the debut of the new series, I had asked whether those three words would ever be seen in the series. Very delighted I was correct in my anticipation.
Marc Platt gets the "Thanks" credit since elements of his Big Finish Cyberman story Spare Parts was used for this adventure. This would explain why Mickey said about being a "spare part".
Surprised that the voiceover mentioning in the end credits that Doctor Who Magazine is now available at the ABC Shop.
Setting the story in a parallel Earth was a good way to introduce the Cybermen to new viewers and reintroducing them to veteran fans. |
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phase5
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| Commander wrote: | | Better than I expected, but Fireplace is still my favourite so far. |
Having seen all it all; I'd have to say that "The Girl In The Fireplace" is the easierly the best episode of the season.
"Impossible Planet/Satan Pit" comes a close second despite a major sequence being copied directly from a film series.
Still, there's enough good stuff in "Satan Pit" to forgive that. Almost.
And yet I found "Love & Monsters" oddly appealing, perhaps because it barely features the Doctor & Rose at all ... |
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montypython
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I thought it was good, but not great. I like a bit of humour, which it didn't have. I was really pissed that it didn't have a preview for next week. Oh well, the ABC does a million anyway.
If Ricky was meant to be really flat and boring, then Noel Clarke nailed it.
Anyone else notice how Rose has a different phone? I liked the other one.
I'm guessing next week's will have a bit of Father's Day deja vu. |
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SharazJek
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I'm guessing next week's will have a bit of Father's Day deja vu. |
Guess again. |
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Odnet
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| Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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Anyone else notice how Rose has a different phone? I liked the other one.
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I noticed. Perhaps she needed to have a very modern phone to download the info. It's funny how we seem to notice things like this. I wonder if there is someone who's job it is to pick these things up (Editor maybe?). If so then he or she should try harder. Not that it's that much of an issue.
I'm starting to think that perhaps Rose needs to get some better lighting in the Tardis so that she can see when she puts (cakes) on her make up. |
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Blue Box
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| Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I'm starting to think that perhaps Rose needs to get some better lighting in the Tardis so that she can see when she puts (cakes) on her make up. |
I totally agree! In The Parting Of The Ways when she looks into the time vortex you can see this thick layer over her pimples. It makes me feel so much better about being me. 
I love Mickey's grandmother. She deserves a spin off! (I'm kidding... but she is hilarious)
All these people wandering off and ignoring the Doctor. Why doesn't he just ditch Rose? She's self absorbed and doesn't listen. Please, ditch Rose. PLEASE. (Although she wasn't QUITE as annoying in this ep.. although I did miss about ten minutes of it...)
I hate how Pete sort of knew he could trust Rose. It's stupid. How come he can and Jackie can't? If you're going to make up something ridiculous like being able to sense a connection to your child, than keep it up for both parents will you?
But who cares about that, we have ROSE THE DOG... I mean, CYBERMEN! YAY! |
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