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Tegan
Joined: 16 Apr 2006
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| Panecea wrote: | | A compelling episode, it's a shame the ABC are going to cut it to fit the schedule. |
Actually, (I didn't make this clear in the first message) RTD and Julie Gardner have already prepared a 45 minute version for sale to Oz, Canada et al. The ABC won't do the cutting (thankfully), they'd just clip 6 minutes off the end. |
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Greg
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| Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Tegan wrote: | | Panecea wrote: | | A compelling episode, it's a shame the ABC are going to cut it to fit the schedule. |
Actually, (I didn't make this clear in the first message) RTD and Julie Gardner have already prepared a 45 minute version for sale to Oz, Canada et al. The ABC won't do the cutting (thankfully), they'd just clip 6 minutes off the end. |
Oh, I don't know. Based on the old episodes clips recovered from the ABC archives, anything featuring a hypodermic would be the first to go.
In a perfect world, the BBC would give the purchasers the option of which episode they wanted to broadcast... but we don't live in a perfect world, and I imagine the contract for the rights to broadcast probably specif the CHrsitmas special and 13 x 45 minute epsiodes... |
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Tegan
Joined: 16 Apr 2006
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Location: Brisbane, Australia
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| Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm certain you're correct Greg. Can't have the antipodeans thinking for ourselves now. |
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dean69
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| I've just viewed The Last of The Time Lords for the third time and find the adventure improves upon subsequent viewings. For me this experience suggests an adventure of worth and substance. Perhaps, like many , I was a little too harsh on the first two sittings. It should be known that many on theDoctor Who forums do not pass judgement on any given episode until multiple sittings have been undertaken. |
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Tegan
Joined: 16 Apr 2006
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Too true Dean69. When one can watch a program multiple times and get something extra out of it each time, it shows a depth of writing not common to all TV writing.
Doctor Who has always had good writers. Not all the time, and sometimes not consistently, but generally the writing has been good.
It's a lot like music. I have plenty of records (oops, showing my age) that I've grown to love over the years. Some of them I was disappointed with to start. Others I liked when they were bright and shiny I now think of as ... well ... I'll let you guess. |
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Greg
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Um... maybe comments on Last of the Time Lords should go into that discussion thread. No spoilers for it yet, but given the anticipation people seem to generally have felt for the season finale, I'd hate for any accidental spoilers for people going to see it for the first time to appear in this thread and be seen a week or so before the local broadcast...
Not trying to quell or limit discussion, just pointing it towards where it belongs! |
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Ohica
Joined: 24 May 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 5:07 pm Post subject: It's great |
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I really loved this ep and all the eps of the season so far. They are all exciting and fun, although ep 11 did lack some story but the action kind of made up for it. I loved the end when the Master took off with the TARDIS and I was quite surprised to discover at the beginning of this ep, how they got back to earth. I did guess that Mr Saxon was the Master though. I thought the old Master [actor] would make a good future Doctor. He just looks the part and I did wonder if he was really the Doctor as a future self at first. I am now wondering where Martha is going on earth. Jack told her to go but where to? I think there is only one person on earth who can help her now apart from the Torchwood gang who were sent on a wild goose chase. So.....can't wait for the next installment.
I just love this season. I think it is the best yet of the new seasons. Martha rocks, the Doctor is cool, the master is funny and Jack.....well Jack's just his usual hot self. All good in my book. |
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Theta Sigma
Joined: 26 Jun 2005
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First of all I thought the resolution to the excellent cliffhanger to Utopia was bit of a cheat, with the Doctor, Martha and Jack already out of danger at the beginning with a brief explanation via flashback on how they escape. Thankfully this is easily forgotten as the episode progresses.
As I was watching it in anticipation I was tapping my fingers not realising that tapping of fingers would be significant to the plot.
Harold Saxon (aka The Master) becomes Prime Minister and quite a bizarre coincidence that just four days after its UK broadcast, Gordon Brown became Prime Minister in real-life Britain.
Having only briefly saw him at the end of Utopia, John Simm has his first full episode as the Master and my he was excellent in the part. Absolutely kooky. However there is one disappointment to Simm's formal Master debut in that he did not kill Vivian Rook by the TCE. Seeing the TCE again would have been great.
The scene of Gallifrey was superb.
Seeing the Doctor grow old physically I found very disturbing.
Despite some gripes that I have expressed about this episode this has been an excellent penultimate episode to the season. |
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KnottyEmily
Joined: 12 Aug 2007
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According to the BBC commentary track, Last of the Timelords will be cut to 45 minutes for broadcast in Australia, Canada and EnZed. |
But we'll get the full length episode on the box set, surely?
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Greg
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I was struck while watching that that the Master and Lucy seem like a mirror-image version of the 4th Doctor and Romana - and then he got the jelly babies out.
What do I mean? Tom's Doctor was often making jokey comments and taking subjects off topic while working to wards hos own end - and the Master does it here as well. And Lucy is a perfect accomplice for this, much as Lalla Ward's Romana was for the Doctor. |
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Theta Sigma
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| Theta Sigma wrote: | As I was watching it in anticipation I was tapping my fingers not realising that tapping of fingers would be significant to the plot.
Harold Saxon (aka The Master) becomes Prime Minister and quite a bizarre coincidence that just four days after its UK broadcast, Gordon Brown became Prime Minister in real-life Britain.
Having only briefly saw him at the end of Utopia, John Simm has his first full episode as the Master and my he was excellent in the part. Absolutely kooky. However there is one disappointment to Simm's formal Master debut in that he did not kill Vivian Rook by the TCE. Seeing the TCE again would have been great.
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Given the timing of the ascension of the fictional and real life Prime Ministers, someone predictably says that Gordon Brown is the Master!
John Simm plays the sixth version of the Master and Mister Saxon happens to be the anagram of Master No. 6. However when this was brought up in his interview in DWM 384, Russell T Davies says his choice of the Saxon name was not deliberate in tying up with the numeration of the Simm Master.
Instead of the TCE the Master has the laser screwdriver and since he used it on Jack, wonder what would have happened if the Master had use the TCE on Jack instead. Would Jack remain small and grow back to full size again?
The episode includes a clip from Army of Ghosts which I am currently rewatching on the DVD release.
Wonderful to see Lachele Carl again as the US newsreader (as a reminder she was in Aliens of London/World War Three & The Christmas Invasion). She looks pretty good in this episode.
When Martha made a guess about the Doctor and Master being secret brothers, the Doctor says that she watches too much television. The Doctor seems to have forgotten upon their first meeting in Smith and Jones that he did mention to Martha that he no longer had a brother. Also the idea of the Doctor and Master being brothers went as far back to the 1990s when it became part of the plot outline for the Doctor Who project which ultimately became the 1996 TV Movie. While the Master did appear in the TV Movie, the idea of him being the Doctor's brother did not.
Seeing the Doctor, Martha and Jack teleporting to the Valiant made me think of the Fourth Doctor, Sarah and Harry using the Time Ring at the end of Genesis of the Daleks.
Nitpick: Colin Stinton as Winters says that he is the President elect of the United States. Wonder if he had said "elect" by mistake because if he was the President elect who has yet to be formally President, he should be preparing for the transition period (given what I seen in The West Wing) not performing official duties still being done by the President he is about to replace.
The trailer for the season finale is just wow.
After The Sound of Drums, the ABC showed an ad for the programme What The Future Sounded Like which included a Doctor Who clip from the first Dalek story in which Barbara first sees a Dalek. It will be on Tuesday September 18 10pm. In fact this was first pointed out in this forum by
g,uest:
http://drwhoaustralia.org/board/viewtopic.php?t=1723
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g,uest
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adamclark83
Joined: 28 Oct 2005
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| This was a great episode. May I say that Lucy Saxon is a very beautiful woman? I love that little dance she does when the Tocalfane are released. This is one episode I will be rewatching on the boxset. |
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Greg
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| Theta Sigma wrote: | | When Martha made a guess about the Doctor and Master being secret brothers, the Doctor says that she watches too much television. The Doctor seems to have forgotten upon their first meeting in Smith and Jones that he did mention to Martha that he no longer had a brother. Also the idea of the Doctor and Master being brothers went as far back to the 1990s when it became part of the plot outline for the Doctor Who project which ultimately became the 1996 TV Movie. While the Master did appear in the TV Movie, the idea of him being the Doctor's brother did not. |
Actually, TS, the idea that the Master and the Doctor are brothers goes back to the 70s. It was originally planned that there would be a final Master story in Pertwee's last season, in which the Master would have been revealed as the Doctor's brother and would have died, possibly engaged in a heroic act that would have saved the Doctor.
Roger Delgado's untimely death scuppered these plans, and contributed to Pertwee's decision to leave the role.
There was a further hint of the brotherly relationship in the 80s. In Planet of Fire, as the Master meets his fate when the numismaton gas becomes normal fire and the Master calls on the Doctor to show mercy to 'one of his own...'. Speculation includes race, friends, classmates, family or brothers.
As to who the Doctor's brother is, unless there's a revelation awaiting us, it was established in the books (while being published by Virgin) that Irving Braxiatel is the Doctor's brother. Braxiatel was first sort-of mentioned on TV (Romana mantions the Braxiatel Collection in City of Death), and Brax has gone on to become a recurring character in Big Finish audios - though not the Doctor Who range. Braxiatel was a cardinal and a member of the High Council in the Gallifrey series, but was exiled. He (and his collection) feature in the Bernice Summerfield books and audios - and Bernice is, of course, a former companion of the Doctor from the Virgin novels. (The 'Irving' part of his name appears to be an affectation, allowing him to fit in with humans...) |
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montypython
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I loved this one. It was good to get some background to the Master and Gallifrey, and I also liked how the Doctor was trying to help the Master.
Why must we be continually shown shots of old David Tennant? Why must they take that beautiful face and ruin it? |
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Tegan
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Why must we be continually shown shots of old David Tennant? Why must they take that beautiful face and ruin it? |
Actually, I thought he looked pretty good for a two hundred year old. 
Yes, I know he's around a thousand, but other than his original incarnation, he's never had a body for more than a few decades. |
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charlie
Joined: 08 Dec 2005
Posts: 1400
Location: Currarong (never heard of it?! Its near Nowra. What?! Nowra's below The Gong!)
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WHy would the balls make a deal with the master?
Why would the balls have rasor blades used only to fire lasers?
Why is the new master so similar to the newdooctor?
Why put the killers in DW? That was just bad. I was enjoying the ep before that.
I did like the jelly beans sort of like a symbol that yes the master had finally beaten the doctor and was adding insult to injury.
I LOVED that trhe master was tapping out the bass line to the theme. Had the potential to be a terrible choice.
Cant waitr for the next one. |
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Greg
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Actually, when the Toclafane first deployed their blades, I thought 'Who's been watching too much Star Wars, then?'
Luckily the story didn't go that way... (you know, the Master is the Doctor's father/brother/son/step-nephew twice-removed...) |
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montypython
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Just rewatched this episode, and found something I didn't realise before. The Master must be a fan of Little Britain, as he began his online speech with "Britain, Britain, Britain..."  |
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