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| What did you think of The Lazarus Experiment? |
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Commander
Joined: 27 Dec 2005
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Well at least it was better than Evolution....
I thought this episode was quite good...much less flawed than the two-parter, and generally fun.
Martha's family seems pretty good too... good to see the Dad was cut from this ep though. Hopefully they have only sparodic appearances throughout Martha's tenure.
Gatiss was brilliant as Lazarus, although does this mean he can't play a future incarnation?
4/5 for me. Continuing Series 3's almost perfect start. |
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Greg
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| Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 2:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Didn't stop Colin Baker, who appeared as Maxil one year and as the new incarnation of the Doctor the next... |
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montypython
Joined: 25 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Greg wrote: | | Didn't stop Colin Baker, who appeared as Maxil one year and as the new incarnation of the Doctor the next... |
Yes, let's not forget the number of people who have played multiple parts over the years. |
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Sulp Niar
Joined: 07 Nov 2005
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| Ickabod wrote: | | hmmmm it could be....also he reminds me of Peter Davison as well.....thanks for that Greg..... |
He does resemble Peter - which he used to full effect in The League of Gentlemen (where one of the characters was a deliberate parody of Davison's in All Creatures Great and Small). |
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Greg
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| Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Ickabod wrote: | | Greg wrote: | | Ickabod wrote: | | who's the actor that played Lazouras (?spelling)....he looks familiar |
Mark Gatiss, who wrote The Unquiet Dead and The Idiot's Lantern in the two previous seasons.
Can't tell you where you recognise him from - could be The League of Gentlemen, could be a couple of Doctor Who sketches included in The Beginning box set. See here for what he's been in. |
hmmmm it could be....also he reminds me of Peter Davison as well.....thanks for that Greg..... |
If you have The Beginning, watch the sketch The Kidnappers which features both Gatiss and Davison... If you've not seen it, I'll say no more! |
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Sulp Niar
Joined: 07 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Ugh... does that make what happens in that video... mast- No, I won't. No. |
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Kaileena
Joined: 08 Aug 2007
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Location: The TARDIS, currently in Brookton.
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I, personally, did not like this episode at all. The Doctor looked ridiculous in that bowtie, and Martha's hair looked distinctly under done. Although it was an okay change from her usual spikey do, at least the spikes suited her. I would also like to point out that Martha wasn't exactly dressed for high adventure through time and space when she hopped into the TARDIS at the end.
The Lazarus/Scorpion effects were cheap and corny. The effects in the classic series were better, as that was the technology of the time. In this millenium we have the technology to produce a much better class of CGI than what was used. The Animators should be ashamed.
The Lazarus reference was too easy to realise. Fans of the first Casper the Friendly Ghost movie would remember the name of the machine his father invented to ressurect/regenerate him; The Lazarus, named after a Biblical character (called Lazarus) who was brought back to life, so it kind of gave away the catalyst event, even if the stupid adverts don't.
I'd give this episode a 3/5 for storyline, but only a 1/5 for effects. |
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montypython
Joined: 25 Jan 2006
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| Kaileena wrote: | | I would also like to point out that Martha wasn't exactly dressed for high adventure through time and space when she hopped into the TARDIS at the end. |
True. I mean, in WW3 it was good to see Rose actually packing a bag. Has anyone else ever done that?
| Kaileena wrote: | | The Lazarus reference was too easy to realise. Fans of the first Casper the Friendly Ghost movie would remember the name of the machine his father invented to ressurect/regenerate him. |
Yep, that was me. |
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Sulp Niar
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| montypython wrote: | | Kaileena wrote: | | I would also like to point out that Martha wasn't exactly dressed for high adventure through time and space when she hopped into the TARDIS at the end. |
True. I mean, in WW3 it was good to see Rose actually packing a bag. Has anyone else ever done that? |
I don't think many actually got the chance to - many were either kidnapped, had no real belongings in the first place, or... well, I guess the Doctor just couldn't steer them home. Maybe - as many books etc. have postulated in regards to Peri - some were afraid to return home? Although, I'm not sure how Peri managed to have a wardrobe that fit her if they weren't her clothes... from what we've seen the Doctor didn't have a companion like that. Unless they stopped off on an alien planet and grabbed clothes. Hmm, why am I speculating about this?
In the case of Adric, he only wanted that bloody badge. In the case of Turlough, he for some reason preferred to wear his school uniform - and even though Tegan wanted to go home, she never actually changed out of that air hostess outfit (and presumably never bathed). Nyssa couldn't return home for more clothes - which is presumably why she wore the Traken outfit, as commemoration (she lets this go in 'Snakedance'?). Jamie only wanted tae wear the kilt. I don't think the Doctor would have cared if Mickey didn't have enough clothes. Etc... |
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Tegan
Joined: 16 Apr 2006
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Location: Brisbane, Australia
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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... and even though Tegan wanted to go home, she never actually changed out of that air hostess outfit (and presumably never bathed). |
Oi! I'll have you know I had a fine range of clothes for all purposes. Even fancy dress when needed.
And never bathed! I'll remind you, I'm Australian... NOT a pom!
(BTW, if you are English, look under the soap, there should be a 10 shilling note there from pre-decimal days). |
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Sulp Niar
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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Ah, I keep forgetting you're on this forum. I apologise profusely, Mrs Jovanka. And hey, nothing wrong with never taking a bath - look at me in my display pic. Layers and layers of dirt.
But I must ask - if you had such a fine range of clothes, why did you not deem it necessary to wear them? Or did you wear them around the TARDIS and change into your air hostess outfit whenever the TARDIS was due to land, hoping you'd be home? |
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charlie
Joined: 08 Dec 2005
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Location: Currarong (never heard of it?! Its near Nowra. What?! Nowra's below The Gong!)
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This whole episode I felt as if I had seen it before, but I hadn't.
We didn't have enough time to get to know Lazerus. Usually we can see that they are real people and are merely in a bad predicament but Lazerus seemed evil the whole time.
The screwdriver is annoying.
Martha is getting too similar to Rose, especially with that mum trying to stop her from going with the Doctor. |
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Bomber
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A watchable episode... and quite a neat ending I thought.
The special effect was WAY too Mummy Returns for me.... should have gone with a completely different look.
But I enjoyed the story, so get's a thumbs up from me. |
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Kaileena
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What I seriously can't get is why all these women run off with a stranger, and an alien at that!
I can see why they might've run off with David Tennant, and, oh bollocks, I've forgotten his name now  ... the one from the 1996 movie, as they don't look odd or threatening, but the other 8 had something a little stand-offish about them. No bloody wonder Rose and Martha's mothers don't like him! They don't know next to naff about him, yet they happy-as-larry run off with him?!
*Sigh* I don't get it. |
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obsecration
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I thought this could've been better. The Mill seems to like doing up ugly looking aliens.    |
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kangamac
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| Kaileena wrote: | What I seriously can't get is why all these women run off with a stranger, and an alien at that!
I can see why they might've run off with David Tennant, and, oh bollocks, I've forgotten his name now :oops: ... the one from the 1996 movie, as they don't look odd or threatening, but the other 8 had something a little stand-offish about them. No bloody wonder Rose and Martha's mothers don't like him! They don't know next to naff about him, yet they happy-as-larry run off with him?!
*Sigh* I don't get it. |
Paul McGann.
(What a waste of an incarnation...) |
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montypython
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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Paul McGann.
(What a waste of an incarnation...) |
OMG I know! |
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Sulp Niar
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| Waste of an incarnation? Erm... not at all. He's still going, you know. And please, I don't want to start a "canon" debate, but I had to point out that there was no wastage involved - only perhaps that there wasn't a TV series for him. |
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kangamac
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| Sulp Niar wrote: | | Waste of an incarnation? Erm... not at all. He's still going, you know. And please, I don't want to start a "canon" debate, but I had to point out that there was no wastage involved - only perhaps that there wasn't a TV series for him. |
I was in fact referring to his lack of TV stories. I believe he was wasted, because I currently only consider the TV series to be irrefutably canon - although I would prefer to include anything official involving the actual actors in their original roles. For me, the rest is up for debate until someone in authority makes a ruling on the matter.
You obviously share a different view from this and you are perfectly entitled to hold it - as I am with mine. However, to discuss whether or not his incarnation was wasted, it will be necessary to enter the "canon" debate. It goes to the heart of the matter concerning the relative merit of the incarnation in question.
Still, if everyone agreed on everything, life would probably be less interesting...
Cheers, |
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Greg
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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No need to have a canon debate - I'll only accept that there is a Doctor Who canon when the BBC publishes a list that declares that it contains every canonical story.
And since that's never gonna happen, anyone who proclaims there is a canon is acting without the permission of the legal owner and hence without any authority or validity. |
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