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A regeneration to toil over...the 6th Doctor's death!

 
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uhumanite



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 12:53 pm    Post subject: A regeneration to toil over...the 6th Doctor's death! Reply with quote

Having just finished Trail of a Timelord and Time and The Rani it is obvious how easily Colin Baker's Doctor was killed off..a bump on the head. I am aware of the series troubles at this time and the unjust firing of Baker but story wise I find this rather interesting.

The Big Finish audios take place after the Trail giving The doctor a far longer and richer lifespan and Gary Russel's novel Sprial Scratch gives the Doctor a far better death proving he died far more heroicaly.

Is it possible big Finish might create a proper audio/animated adventure for the 6th Doctor's death??
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Sulp Niar



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm, I doubt it. Although Gary Russell no longer heads Big Finish, I think the likelihood of seeing a "death of the 6th" story is the same as seeing a "death of the 8th" story. I could be wrong though...

Apparently there's an alternate explanation in the Virgin lines, that the Doctor deliberately ended his life so that he wouldn't turn into the Valeyard (this doesn't make much sense to me considering the Valeyard's in his 12th/13th incarnations, a distillation of evil or something. Confusing).
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Astral Omega



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

it certainly is a mystery why such a quick bump to the head would kill him, but maybe it wasn't just a small bump, maybe there was something else...
Sure, peri wasn't really hurt in the shaking, but SHE isn't connected to the TARDIS via telepathic curcuits the same as the doctor is, maybe because of the turbulence the TARDIS was enduring, it disorientated him so much that he fell over with an almighty WOP! to the head.
it hemmhoraged his brain or something making him pretty much dead, and there was no blood because he was already starting to regenerate...

i don't know.

they most likely wont do a story about his death because that's just a gap for the fans to fill with their own imaginations or it was a way of gettin CB back for quitting by making his death int he show as unimportant as possible!
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charlie



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Timelords regenerate when their bodies are put under too much stress so maybe he just overeacted. Like with alergic reactions to peanut butter and the like.

If I by some strange turn of events become a DW writer I'm doing a book where the 8th dies just so I can have it my own way. While I'm at it I may as well do a sixth doctor one.
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Sulp Niar



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're stepping on the toes of Gary Russell then!

How do you propose the Eighth Doctor died then? Are you allowed to tell? By the way, if you start doing fan fiction, post it on Teaspoon and an Open Mind, cos I love reading them. Sometimes I love reading fanfics more than the series, because often they're more intelligent (sacrilege I know!)...
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charlie



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I actually really hate fanfiction cause there's no limit to it and it has no cannonicity at all so it just gets under my skin. My deatrh of the eigth has this long explanation behind it and not much story but I'll ttype it cause you asked.


Heres how I figure it;

The ninth and tenth Doctors seem really different to the the first eight to me(paticularly 9s accent) so there must have been some life altering trauma that has happened to him. He mentions that he can feel other timelords and thus knows that there are none left. So he must be able to feel everywhere and everyone in the universe. This feeling which he has always had would therefore be enormous.

During the timewar all the other timelords died so he would have been suffering MASSIVE mental anguish during the thing. When all the timelord's were dead then the feeling would disapate totally leaving him scarred and causing HUGE mental stress and damage.


Fpr the story;

He would be in the time war helping with a battle or something. He would destroy the dalek fleet (as he said) or at least make it possible. And the last timelord would be slain and the Doctor would go AARGH! fall down and die for the eigth time. Alternately he would get shot or something. When he wakes as the ninth he is severly shell shocked sop to speak leaving him a different person and eliminating his "so much mersy".

And if I went to all the trouble of writing that I would do a prequil series that starts the time war and gets the doc involved yadda yadda..



It seems long winded I know but does anyone agree/disagree? Why?
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SharazJek



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Astral Omega wrote:
it certainly is a mystery why such a quick bump to the head would kill him, but maybe it wasn't just a small bump, maybe there was something else...
Sure, peri wasn't really hurt in the shaking, but SHE isn't connected to the TARDIS via telepathic curcuits the same as the doctor is, maybe because of the turbulence the TARDIS was enduring, it disorientated him so much that he fell over with an almighty WOP! to the head.
it hemmhoraged his brain or something making him pretty much dead, and there was no blood because he was already starting to regenerate...

i don't know.

they most likely wont do a story about his death because that's just a gap for the fans to fill with their own imaginations or it was a way of gettin CB back for quitting by making his death int he show as unimportant as possible!


Sorry for the pedantry but Mel was the companion in question, not Peri.

And Colin Baker was sacked, he did not and never had any desire to quit the role when he did.
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Greg
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As has been documented, the BBC offered Colin the opportunity to make one more story that would end with his regeneration. Colin refused.
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Sulp Niar



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

charlie wrote:
I actually really hate fanfiction cause there's no limit to it and it has no cannonicity at all so it just gets under my skin. My deatrh of the eigth has this long explanation behind it and not much story but I'll ttype it cause you asked.


Heres how I figure it;

The ninth and tenth Doctors seem really different to the the first eight to me(paticularly 9s accent) so there must have been some life altering trauma that has happened to him. He mentions that he can feel other timelords and thus knows that there are none left. So he must be able to feel everywhere and everyone in the universe. This feeling which he has always had would therefore be enormous.

During the timewar all the other timelords died so he would have been suffering MASSIVE mental anguish during the thing. When all the timelord's were dead then the feeling would disapate totally leaving him scarred and causing HUGE mental stress and damage.


Fpr the story;

He would be in the time war helping with a battle or something. He would destroy the dalek fleet (as he said) or at least make it possible. And the last timelord would be slain and the Doctor would go AARGH! fall down and die for the eigth time. Alternately he would get shot or something. When he wakes as the ninth he is severly shell shocked sop to speak leaving him a different person and eliminating his "so much mersy".

And if I went to all the trouble of writing that I would do a prequil series that starts the time war and gets the doc involved yadda yadda..



It seems long winded I know but does anyone agree/disagree? Why?


I do disagree slightly about things, but only based on my own theories, as either way none of us have evidence. The New Series never actually said that the Eighth was the one fighting in the Time War, so it's possible (though not very dramatic an end for this wonderful incarnation) that he died some other way. As for the "all alone" bit, I like to think there's a link to The Gallifrey Chronicles there concerning the Doctor's mind. I won't say what it is, because some may not read it, but yes.

And concerning fan fiction... well, you don't have to take them as canon, that's the point. Whilst it's possible to do so, as I occasionally do when I respect a fanfic that much (there are some brilliant ideas out there), there's no real need to do so. Anyway, Big Finish et al. are technically fan fiction, and you don't see them always sticking to continuity (thus potentially ejecting them from canon). Some of it is good. Trust me (although there's a fair amount, particularly in the New Series category I'm sad to say, which are dull, dull, dull).
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silver_smurfer



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 1:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Greg wrote:
As has been documented, the BBC offered Colin the opportunity to make one more story that would end with his regeneration. Colin refused.


That's the BBC's version of events. In the video The Colin Baker Years and elsewhere Colin has hinted they wanted him to return for a 10 minute sequence which would have jepoardised his availability for new ongoing work. Therefore he really couldn't accept... which may have been Michael Grade's intention to make Colin seem bitter when he was just doing the right thing by his family as a "jobbing actor".
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au3xr6



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

charlie wrote:
So he must be able to feel everywhere and everyone in the universe.
you forget the other remaining time lord Romana but he would not feel her presence as she is not in the same universe she is in E Space. so the doctor is not really the last time lord
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charlie



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that if the Timelords took the time to get the Doctor and the Master and Susan involved then there's no reason Romana wouldn't have shown up to help out.
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