Doctor Who Club of Australia

SharazJek · Joined: 12 Aug 2005 Posts: 902 Location: Hobart, Tasmania

A very fanwanky way of stopping the regeneration would be for Jack to somehow absorb the dr's death.

There's a lot of speculation about an alternate dr being in finale but many of the 2-parter cliffhangers have been resolved in a very short space of time. I reckon we won't be left hanging about whether DT is definately gone. I reckon it will be resolved in the first few seconds before we just get on with the davros/daleks show.

As for the 3-fold man, I have no idea. Mickey perhaps? He was sitting in the read-through in the ep12 confidential, so Mickey must have some part to play.

paisley-sage · Joined: 06 Jul 2008 Posts: 11 Location: dark side of life

I agree in that it most definitely was 'fanwank'. The whole episode seemed to go on forever and was quite *yawn* The inclusion of Martha, Torchwood, Sarah Jane and Rose was pathetic and using all the phones in the world to call the Doctor was complete pants. If I was anyone of these actors and wanted some form of credibility left I would have refused to partake in this episode.

I agree with Dave that it would have been awesome if Rose was exterminated just before she reached The Doctor. IMO the last two seasons of Doctor Who seemed to have been written by Hallmark and is becoming tediously ridiculous.

Oh and I loathe David Tennant as the Doctor now - he totally gives me the shits - is there ever a scene where he doesn't overact?

Ickabod · Joined: 26 Jun 2005 Posts: 552 Location: far far away

hey Dexter is pretty good but then the guy in the role does it for me Wink

Speckled Jim · Joined: 14 Jul 2006 Posts: 136 Location: Auckland, Un Zud

Fanwank? Great term! Love it.
And yes, fanwank there was in Stolen Earth; a great deluge of the stuff. Why, Russ, why? You were doing so well with the last two yarns ... and then you just let that "why the hell not??" gene kick in.
Actually, I rated this story "good", because the story itself - when it managed to surface above the waves - was enjoyable. But like others, for 45 minutes I was pushing down my disappointment at RTD's rambling eagerness to overdo the fireworks. Davros! Daleks! Torchwood! Sarah Jane! Harriet Wossaname, former PM! By the end I felt like I'd eaten a five-course French meal soaked in dubonnet and double cream, and there's still dessert to come.
The blatant cross-promotion (Torchwood and Sarah Jane) would've been tolerable had it not seemed so "written in" to suit the story proper, which led up to - haven't we been here before? - a dalek invasion of Earth. (Oh, alright, and some other planets, but c'mon ... does every season have to end with the impending demise of Planet Earth and all that we stand for?) As for the daleks: read it, seen it, been there, done that. They've become so overused now they're not even vaguely frightening, just old, boring tinpots with verbal diarrhoea.
Which is probably why Davros' introduction was so bland. Another old fave ticked off the list. Hell, he looked great, and was vintage Davros - I did like how he "gave himself" to his kiddies - but he was a mere ingredient in a gigantic soup of overwhelming self-indulgence.
The story itself showed some promise, but got totally left behind in the desire to let too many old mates into one party. And then there was the familiar RTD signatures - the mass phone-in was similar, but even more infantile, than The Last of the Timelords' effort where the whole human race chanted "Doctor!" at the same time. Some fans call this RTD's use of "magic"; I call it lazy shit. Sorry to be harsh, but he just doesn't seem to care how he writes himself out of a corner sometimes.
So, I guess, overall ... good story, but totally drowned in sordid back-slapping gunk. The only single thing I'm really looking forward to next is how this regeneration thing pans out - it's incredibly ambitious. RTD will either blow my mind and come up with something brilliantly unexpected, or just reach for the "magic" wand again. Can't say I'm too optimistic...

Greg · Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 12:28 pm Post subject:

Holy cr@p! I tried to remove the post identified by monty, and it removed all the posts after it as well - in a separate discussion.

It's here.

Please vote in this thread, and preferably discuss here, although if you were responding to a post in the other part, it would make sense to reply there.

Sorry, all!

Christos · Joined: 09 Jul 2008 Posts: 17

Great stuff.

Fanwanky?

Yes.... but it's great stuff.

The enjoyment is being taken for a ride..

Sulp Niar · Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 2:55 pm Post subject:

Did the poll say "The Vanishing Earth" before as well? I don't remember.

mortigitempo · Joined: 30 Jul 2006 Posts: 30

this was crap

- what was with the references to Bad Wold in the last episode. This made no sense

- what was with the stupid 'everyone on earth telephoning the doctor'. God, it felt like I was watching some lame excuse for an ABC kids TV show

- so the Doctor got shot becuase he was running towards Rose in a stupid moment of 'love'. This is the stupidest thing I've ever seen.

- where was the storyline? there was no storyline, it was just stupid to and froing from character to character.

Not to mention all the stupid fanwanking going on with SJA and Torchwood. At least Torchwood is an OK show, the SJA stuff is terrible... 'Mr Smith' - are you kidding me... Luke/!?! It's almost as bad as K9 and company. This is not Doctor Who.

Seriously, I can't believe anyone in this thread thinks this is a good episode. This was the lamest pile of dog droppings I've seen in my life. It was not just trite for Doctor Who but it was trite for TV in general.

Dougy · Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 4:04 pm Post subject:

Watching the ep again today I noticed there is a not-so-subtle shot of the Doctors severed-hand-in-a-jar at the start of the ep. The more I think about it the more I reckon it's going to play into the story.

Remember the Master used it to help himself regenerate last season so maybe they can use it to somehow stop the Doctor regenerating this time, transfer the regerneration engergy into it somehow thought I don't knw how that would work as it'd be internal, right? and then we'd have a hand walking around like Thing from the Addams Family. Laughing

Another idea I had was that the Doctor lets himself die and then somehow Jack gets the hand to regenerate and we get David back, kind of like cloning.

Just some conjecture anyway... Rolling Eyes

Theta Sigma · Joined: 26 Jun 2005 Posts: 4429

The scenes with the Torchwood & SJA characters takes place after the events of the respective shows up to this point. For the former notice who is missing and incidentally the Torchwood radio episode Lost Souls which was on almost a couple of weeks ago is said to have taken place for the Torchwood team sometime before The Stolen Earth.
For SJA virgins you got to meet Luke and Mr Smith for the first time.
The idea of a three way crossover of Doctor Who, Torchwood & Sarah Jane Adventures had been floating about for some time but there was a concern whether it meant that the Doctor would have to swear given the target audience for Torchwood. I am quite satisfied with how the crossover had been carried out in this storyline.
Davros is played by Julian Bleach. He had previously appeared in the Whoniverse as a different character in the Torchwood episode From Out of the Rain. Director Grame Harper had previously directed Davros then played by Terry Molloy in Revelation of the Daleks.
Harper's direction of The Stolen Earth means he is the only director to have directed more than one Davros story.
Even if one managed to have missed the Confidential the previous week, it was hardly a mystery that it was Davros in the episode before his identity was revealed on-screen.
If anyone have seen the second Peter Cushing Dalek movie Daleks Invasion Earth 2150AD, you would know that Bernard Cribbins' encounter with the Dalek here in The Stolen Earth is not the first for him.
My favourite part of Resurrection of the Daleks was when a Dalek got blinded by gunfire and chanting "My vision is impaired I cannot see". So it was not fun here hearing the Dalek saying "My vision is not impaired".
Completely forgotten on first viewing that Rose did not know Martha when she saw her on the computer screen.
Mention is made of the Mr Copper Foundation. Looks like Mr Copper did well for himself since we saw him in Voyage of the Damned.
Like Donna's line of an out of space Facebook.
Having a Dalek in Torchwood is most probably in response to a suggestion of having the Daleks appeared in the Torchwood series. This was vetoed as it could lead to kids to watch the adult spin-off series. Looks like having a Dalek in Torchwood within the parent Doctor Who series was meant to fulfil the said suggestion.

Confidential Cutdown: Friends and Foe:
I am guessing that because of the amount of material that was cutdown that the programme seems to focussed more on the foe than on friends.
I can only imagine what it is like to see in person Davros on set.
Interesting the Dalek rehearsals
RTD says he is in the dark like everyone else about what is going to happen next. Yeah right.

Greg · Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 6:36 pm Post subject:

montypython · Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 6:38 pm Post subject:

mortigitempo · Joined: 30 Jul 2006 Posts: 30

DrJones · Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:58 pm Post subject:

Ummm, well I am still digesting it. It was really great when I first watched it, but it did not jump out to me as much on the second viewing.
I agree about Rose and the Doctor running towards each other in a moment of love. It was so cliched and needed a twist to pull it out of schoolgirl fanwank. It was kind of cute at first, then it became a bit silly really....but on first viewing a couple of months ago it still made me go "awwww"...maybe watching it after watching the rest of series 4 has changed my view.

Ahh, I will have to pop back when I have more coherent thoughts...

Anyway...

charlie · Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 6:20 pm Post subject:

Ok gotta say it, It's Rose's fault the Doctor got shot.

Anyway, this ep had potential to be the worst ever but Davros was well done although I was unsatissfied with the voice pattern but oh well, and he didn't seem quite as insane as the last time we saw him but I spose they could have taken him from earlier than that. All the explanations were CRAP in this episode namely the Davros living again. Time was locked but Khan did it and it cost him his mind. Yeh wateva. they could have avoided that whole thing by having Davros not in the time war and Khan picking him up from wherever. Also the thing with the bees was the Doctor yelling some complicated words really loud and fast in about a quarter of a second and somehow there was a trail. Yeh wateva.

Im also dissatisfied with Davros' lifespan. He created the Daleks, lived throughout they're whole history till Skaro was blown up and now he's alive after the timewar. Get over him.
The eisode would have done well without Sarah and her son.
Lovely references to the Dalek Master Plan. they really seem to like the classic eps at the moment.
Im glad they took the Doctor back to the TARDIS, keeps my little theories intact. All in all a pretty good episode.

But are we about to see another Colin Baker?

Green Halloween · Joined: 22 Aug 2008 Posts: 2

Hi all,

My favourite part was when Donna's grandfather said something like "Get back inside! They always take the women!" to her mum.

Dougy · Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 1:14 pm Post subject:

Mister Andersen · Joined: 13 Aug 2008 Posts: 36