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ADAMK
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Greg
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| It's the only script for Doctor Who written by Eric Saward that is a decent story. All the rest are crap! |
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Wester
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Being a big fan of all things 17th century, I loved this story. So thats the true story of how the Great Fire started!!  |
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SharazJek
Joined: 12 Aug 2005
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Location: Hobart, Tasmania
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| Greg wrote: | | It's the only script for Doctor Who written by Eric Saward that is a decent story. All the rest are crap! |
It's not very often you get a 'that's crap' comment from Greg with no explanation.
I both like AND dislike Sawrd's scripts. But my personal favourite is Revelation of the Daleks.
I enjoy Visitation more than Earthshock and Ressurection of the Daleks though. Did he write any others? I can't remember off the top of my head. |
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Greg
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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| SharazJek wrote: | | It's not very often you get a 'that's crap' comment from Greg with no explanation. |
Earthshock is a bit like the Cyberman's greatest hits, and it began Saward's fascination of the Doctor using a gun.
Resurrection of the Daleks seems to be determined to have the highest on-screen body count of any Who story.
Attack of the Cybermen (credited to Saward's then-girlfriend, Paula Moore) exemplifies the horrors of excess and poor continuity references in the series at the time...
Slipback shows Saward trying to be Douglas Adams and failing miserably.
And I've previously listed my extraordinary loathing of Revelation of the Daleks on a few occasions.
I'm always surprised that I liked The Visitation when I oook at my low opinion of Mr Saward's body of work... |
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Beatly
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| I'm not familiar with a story called Slipback, but I find myself thinking "Sontarans". Have I previously heard of it but forgotten? What format is it? When? Who? Where? Why? Whuh? |
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Greg
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| Beatly wrote: | | I'm not familiar with a story called Slipback, but I find myself thinking "Sontarans". Have I previously heard of it but forgotten? What format is it? When? Who? Where? Why? Whuh? |
Slipback was a radio adventure commissioned when BBC was 'giving Doctor Who a break' between series 22 and 23. It consisted of 6 10-minute episodes, and featured Colin Baker and Nicola Bryant as the Doctor and Peri, with the most noted other cast member being Valentine Dyall (though not as the Black Guardian) in his last ever role as an actor. As you can imagine, having a cliffhanger every 10-minutes doesn't do much for the story, and Saward's attempts to write like Douglas Adams proved (to me, in any case) that there's a lot of substance to the way in which Adams wrote comedy; substance that Saward's attempt to imitate the style lacked. The story has a number of problems: the Doctor and te main villain never actually meet, and the ending is so deus ex machina as to be laughable. I'll skip the fact that it appears to directlly contradict another Doctor Who story for which Saward was the script editor. Slipback has been released on CD by the BBC, and is available locally (best looked for during an ABC Shop sale, so you don't have to pay too much for it!).
But there are no Sontarans, Beatly. You have however reminded me of another Eric Saward-scripted Doctor Who story - A Fix with Sontarans, which was an episode of the TV show Jim'll Fix It. This is included as a special feature on The Two Doctors DVD. I'm probably less critical of this because it was written as part of a 'grant a child's wish' style of a program, and hence hardly meant to be a piece of involving comedy or drama. |
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Beatly
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An ABC Shop sale wouldn't be locally for me - I'm in London. Perhaps I ought to get along to the Who Shop at some point. I grew up about half an hour away from it, and lived even closer for a while, but have never been there...  |
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Greg
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| Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 11:59 am Post subject: |
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| Beatly wrote: | | An ABC Shop sale wouldn't be locally for me - I'm in London. |
Ah yes - 'Location: London'. Amazing what you don't see when you should... |
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Wester
Joined: 04 Aug 2005
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Location: Brisbane
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| Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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| So anyone here a fan of the monsters in this story being in a new series story?? |
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Linx
Joined: 27 Jun 2005
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Location: Perth
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| Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | So anyone here a fan of the monsters in this story being in a new series story?? |
They suffer a bit from rubbersuit syndrome, but no reason why that couldn't be fixed. Nevertheless though my vote for creatures I'd most like to see return (after the obvious choices) remains the Zygons -shame their shapeshifting role has kinda been usurped by The Slitheen.
On a different tangent I seem to recall Greg (? or was it Chris?) nominating Amelia from Stones of Blood as the great-companion-who-never-was.
For that role I'd personally like to nominate Richard Mace - an out of work actor turned highwayman is a great concept. If only the Doctor had taken him with them......ah well. |
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Greg
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| Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Linx wrote: | | On a different tangent I seem to recall Greg (? or was it Chris?) nominating Amelia from Stones of Blood as the great-companion-who-never-was. |
Don't know if I ever said that, but Amelia Rumford certainly one of the great supporting characters in the show's history. I understand that she was a meodel for Evelyn Smythe, a companion of the 6th Doctor who appears in the Big Finish audios. |
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the wheel
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i love this story, i gave it excellent.
the music is great and so is the actual story |
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meglos
Joined: 29 Jun 2005
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Location: Perth
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| Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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| I love it to. One of the best of an excellent season. |
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Theta Sigma
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The Visitation Part 2 ended with the Doctor about to be beheaded just like he was in the cliffhanger for Four To Doomsday Part 3. For those who don't know, The Visitation was recorded straight after Four To Doomsday and Antony Root had script edited both Four To Doomsday and some versions of The Visitation (although he is still credited for all four episodes).
Speaking of Antony Root I just saw the Blake's 7 episode Volcano on DVD which had him as the assistant floor manager. |
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Wester
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| Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 9:59 am Post subject: |
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| Linx - I was actually thinking the same thing - that Richard Mace would have made an excellent companion. Just like Jamie to the Second Doctor, someone who would marvel at all things spacey and have not contemporary comparison to judge it all by. |
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Whistling
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I particularly liked the first cliff-hanger for this story: A bejewelled oven-mitt locks the door behind our brave heroes, and Tegan gives an unconvincing yell of fear.  |
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Liam
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| Whistling wrote: | | I particularly liked the first cliff-hanger for this story: A bejewelled oven-mitt locks the door behind our brave heroes, and Tegan gives an unconvincing yell of fear. |
I think they may have actually been cricket gloves, this wouldn't be the first time that they've been used as alien hands either!! |
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Theta Sigma
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| Just as we are waiting for The Visitation to resume transmission tonight, I have just finished the Fifth Doctor/ Nyssa Big Finish audio The Game. |
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Theta Sigma
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When The Empty Child written by Steven Moffat was shown on the ABC it was between State of Decay Parts 2 and 3 directed by Peter Moffatt.
Last night I finished watching The Empty Child on DVD just hours after seeing The Visitation Part 3 directed by Peter Moffatt on the ABC.
That Grim Reaper bit in The Visitation Part 3 was cute.
Had a little laugh when Nyssa said "stupid machine". |
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