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Theta Sigma
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| Greg wrote: | | Theta Sigma wrote: | Torchwood has been mentioned in the Spike section in the Sydney Morning Herald:
http://www.smh.com.au/news/spike/your-threadbare-abc/2005/10/19/1129401316328.html
The relevant part does not look promising:
"Dr Who with sex
A "dark, wild and sexy" spin-off version of the TV series Doctor Who is being made by the BBC following the recent success of the science fiction show. It will be called Torchwood (an anagram of Doctor Who). Writer Russell T. Davies, who also penned the latest Who series, described the show as " The X-Files meets This Life," whatever that means in practice. Maybe the Daleks get depressed and sit around in bars. Sadly, the ABC's spokeswoman hadn't heard of the new show when Spike called yesterday, so there are no plans to bring it to Australian screens." |
As to the relevant part not looking promising |
The relevant part not looking promising I was referring to was that last sentence about no plans to bring it to Australian screens not the other part. I posted that news item at Majestic's forum and he immediately knew what I meant. Wasn't trying to be negative just expressing worries of not being able to see it on Australian screens. |
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Wester
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| Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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T.S - thanks for clearing that up.
Still sad isnt it. |
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Greg
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| Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Theta Sigma wrote: | | The relevant part not looking promising I was referring to was that last sentence about no plans to bring it to Australian screens not the other part. I posted that news item at Majestic's forum and he immediately knew what I meant. Wasn't trying to be negative just expressing worries of not being able to see it on Australian screens. |
Sorry, TS, but given the amount of negativity people seem to want to heap of Torchwood all over the internet, including some at theis forum, I obviously had that in mind when I read tyour post.
As I said earlier, we don't even know (and I think it's unlikely) that BBC have evn offered up an option to anyone to buy the rights to show it yet - it was only annouced a week and a half ago. |
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Wester
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| Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:41 am Post subject: |
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Greg - what angers me is that many fans are too brutal and wont give new ideas and concepts a go, such as this show. But I guess it re-inforces the diversity of the fan base.
I am prepared to give any 'spin off' a shot. |
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Greg
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| Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:50 am Post subject: |
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Hi Wester,
I've got absolutely no problem with peoiple disliking something they've seen - it's all this negativity within a week of the show being announced with little or no detail that gets up my nose! If people have seen it and absolutely hate it, fair enough - but deciding it's crap before it has even been written is a sign of complete and utter stupidity on the part of those who do it.
And the article Theta Sigma posted... grrr! Depressed Daleks sitting around in bars, indeed! Hell, if Rob Shearman (amongst others) wrote that, it'd probably be fantastic! |
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Darth Sidious
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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I know on some sites, because Torchwood will be written by RTD and starting John Barrowman (Captain Jack) it will automatically be rubbish, which is a very negative and destructive attitude to take.
I for one am pleased and hopefully means this will give the original new series a longer term future.
Doctor Who's future hasn't looked healthier since probably the mid to late 70's. |
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Theta Sigma
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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As to the negativity I think these are from people who wants Doctor Who to remain unique. The idea of a spin-off probably spoils this uniqueness. These people are probably glad that K-9 and Company only lasted as a one-off. If it had been a success we probably have been talking about Doctor Who & K-9 and Company for years now not just Doctor Who. Instead K-9 and Company has become a easily forgettable part of Who history since it was just one episode what else was there to talk about.
I always thought that a spin-off was going to be inevitable given the success of the new series. I have always been eager to explore spin-offs when they present themselves. |
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Beatly
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 3:44 am Post subject: |
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It's Doctor Who's uniqueness that makes it the ideal candidate for having spin-off shows. Star Trek struggled to find a new spin on the "starship exploring the galaxy" concept for each series. Doctor Who has all of history and the entire universe (and beyond) to play with, so it's surprising that there haven't been any other series coming off of it.
I don't know how popular they've been, but the fact that they're still going surely means that they have been popular: the various Big Finish audio spin-offs that aren't actually the adventures of the Doctor in his TARDIS - the Dalek empire one, the Cybermen one, the Gallifrey one, Bernice Summerfield... others, no doubt.
Setting this spin-off in a single time and place sets it apart from the parent series, thus maintaining the uniqueness of Doctor Who. If it's strong enough to last for 42+ years, zapping off to a new place and time more regularly than Captain Kirk got himself a new girlfriend, then I'm sure it can survive having a character living a life beyond the TARDIS.
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Theta Sigma
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 11:56 am Post subject: |
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Looks like I should have made it clear that I was talking only about television spinoffs.
I bought the Doctor Who (2005) Volume 4 DVD release yesterday and I got to see Bad Wolf last night and I noticed the mention to Torchwood. I could have easily missed Torchwood being referenced for the very first time if I had bought Volume 4 when it was released at the beginning of the month before the Torchwood announcement. Funny the way things worked out. |
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Beatly
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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Oh, I know you only meant TV spin-offs. I was just highlighting the fact that spin-offs sans Doctors can and do work, and extemporising on the idea of spin-offs and the uniqueness of the parent show, of which, as you said, people were complaining about the continued purity.
What is the nature of the Torchwood reference in Bad Wolf? I don't have any of the new series on DVD yet - not for another three weeks or so anyway. |
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Theta Sigma
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| Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 11:04 am Post subject: |
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| Beatly wrote: | Oh, I know you only meant TV spin-offs. I was just highlighting the fact that spin-offs sans Doctors can and do work, and extemporising on the idea of spin-offs and the uniqueness of the parent show, of which, as you said, people were complaining about the continued purity.
What is the nature of the Torchwood reference in Bad Wolf? I don't have any of the new series on DVD yet - not for another three weeks or so anyway. |
First point: OK
Second point: You really want to know now. Alright, Torchwood was the answer to a question on The Weakest Link about the name of an old Earth insititute. |
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Wester
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| Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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| T.S - thanks for that bit of trivia. I had no idea. |
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Greg
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| Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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Anyone who wants to place a question in the 'Quiz' thread in TRanquil Repose should go and anse=wer my question there.
In The Parting of the Ways a question is put, which goes:
'The great Cobalt Pyramid was built on the remains of which institute?'
The answer is, of course, Torchwood.
IT might be surmised from this the RTD was discussing the possible spin-off for a while before it was announced... |
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Wester
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| Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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| So is the Institute where Jack works? Is that how it is tied in? |
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MikeYates
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| Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 4:58 pm Post subject: Whoever he is. |
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| I'm worried there'll be appearances from Jackie and Rickey. |
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Tim G
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As it appears I am the only one who has posted misgivings about Torchwood, I feel I've started a bit of a hoo-ha over nothing really.
Come on guys, do you really want to look at a fan-site where every announcement is met with joy and enthusiam by everybody? I mean, what's the point in even having a forum if a person can't express a personal opinion.
I don't see my comments as negative at all. As I said before, I'd be wrapped if the show turned out to be of decent quality. But I stand by what I said before, I'd prefer the creative team behind Doctor Who to concentrate on keeping the extremely high quality of the show (of which only ONE season has been aired) before jumping on the bandwagon of public support for the show and possibly damaging its reputation by rushing out a spin-off of unknown quality.
Still, I couldn't really give a fried fig about Torchwood when all is said and done, as long as Doctor Who continues to provide the top-calss entertainment of the first series. |
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Greg
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I've read plenty of negative comments about Torchwood at various sites on the internet - and they're all based on basically no information. There's absolutely no point in pre-judging the series without having something substantial to comment on - like preferably at least one episode!
As mentioned previously, RTD managed to also churn out Casanova while working on teh first series of Doctor Who, so hopefully that's an indication that two quality programs can be produced at the same time with the same person overseeing them. |
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Tim G
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| Greg wrote: | I've read plenty of negative comments about Torchwood at various sites on the internet - and they're all based on basically no information. There's absolutely no point in pre-judging the series without having something substantial to comment on - like preferably at least one episode!
As mentioned previously, RTD managed to also churn out Casanova while working on teh first series of Doctor Who, so hopefully that's an indication that two quality programs can be produced at the same time with the same person overseeing them. |
Ah Greg, my cyber-nemesis! No point in judging a series without having something substantial to comment on???? What is this forum for??? Isn't just about every topic thread (especially in New Series News - spoilers) based on some bit of news/info/rumour and the individual's thoughts about it? We might as well stop discussing news about Series 2 and our personal opinions on it, because remember, it hasn't been aired yet so there's NO POINT IN COMMENTING. I think in reality, what is being said is there's no poit in commenting unless you're gushing praise. |
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Dougy
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| Theta Sigma wrote: |
Second point: You really want to know now. Alright, Torchwood was the answer to a question on The Weakest Link about the name of an old Earth insititute. |
Wow. I missed that. Thanks for letting us know.  |
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Greg
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| Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Tim G wrote: | | Greg wrote: | I've read plenty of negative comments about Torchwood at various sites on the internet - and they're all based on basically no information. There's absolutely no point in pre-judging the series without having something substantial to comment on - like preferably at least one episode!
As mentioned previously, RTD managed to also churn out Casanova while working on teh first series of Doctor Who, so hopefully that's an indication that two quality programs can be produced at the same time with the same person overseeing them. |
Ah Greg, my cyber-nemesis! No point in judging a series without having something substantial to comment on???? What is this forum for??? Isn't just about every topic thread (especially in New Series News - spoilers) based on some bit of news/info/rumour and the individual's thoughts about it? We might as well stop discussing news about Series 2 and our personal opinions on it, because remember, it hasn't been aired yet so there's NO POINT IN COMMENTING. I think in reality, what is being said is there's no poit in commenting unless you're gushing praise. |
Nope, if I meant there's no point in commenting unless you're gushing praise, then I'd say that.
To me, the good points are:
1. It is another sign of the BBC's faith in Doctor Who. Off the back of the success of one series on TV, we've got two subsequent series, two Christmas specials, a segment in the high-profile Children in Need charity special and a spin-off series. I think we are looking at signs that Doctor Who is something the BBC is happy to keep producing for a while.
2. It's got RTD and PJ Hammond as writers.
That's my list of good points at the moment. I won't declare it good, let alone gush about it, until and unless the finished product warrants it.
Note: I haven't listed John Barrowman as a good point, because I'm pretty neutral about him. I may warm to him some more when I rewatch series 1, I may not.
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