Doctor Who Club of Australia

Beatly · Joined: 24 Jul 2005 Posts: 375 Location: London

I know that when UK Gold repeated this back in the 90s at some point, it had the Dalek in it. My VHS copy has the Dalek in it, but it also has a yellow banner in the corner saying "The Unabridged Version". I was only three and a half years old when it was first broadcast, so you can't expect me to remember that. Smile

Dazza · Joined: 05 Jul 2005 Posts: 106

John Lucantonio · Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 58

There's off air footage from the Evil of the Daleks on Lost in Time that shows the inside of a dalek, not sure if it was in the transmitted version being born 20 years later

MikeYates · Joined: 24 Sep 2005 Posts: 98

So the Dalek was edited out of this one. But they couldn't have done that for The War Games Evil or Very Mad

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You notice on the 1st episode there were 6 people credited as The Doctor, then only 4 people on the 2 episode.

For part 1 couldn't they have had the cliffhanger when the Cyberman grabed onto the Brigadier, that was only about 30 seconds proir to the lame cliffhanger of Sarah-Jane falling down the hill.

Kerr Avon · Joined: 15 Jul 2005 Posts: 478

hillhanger < cliffhanger

The Master_BeyondTheGrave · Joined: 18 Oct 2005 Posts: 41

SharazJek · Joined: 12 Aug 2005 Posts: 898 Location: Hobart, Tasmania

Roy Skelton provided the Dalek voice.

Greg · Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 7:17 am Post subject:

And John Scott Martin was the Dalek operator.

They trimmed the appearance, but left the credits intact.

Wester · Joined: 04 Aug 2005 Posts: 610 Location: Brisbane

This is outrageous. What a shame these silly issues cant be worked out. Crying or Very sad

Davros · Joined: 29 Jun 2005 Posts: 139 Location: Skaro

Greg · Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 9:14 pm Post subject:

Everything's complicated at the BBC owns the appearance of the Daleks, but the Nation estate owns the concept. Since Nation's death, his estate (managed by Hancocks) has been endeavouroing to get money in for the family. I imagine ABC would have to reach a deal with Hancocks to show the Daleks. But I don't know this to be a fact.

Theta Sigma · Joined: 26 Jun 2005 Posts: 4254

In the third part, the Fourth Doctor is only mentioned to be in the vortex but no images from Shada this time.
Liz Shaw only appears briefly as a phantom. Given the fact that she only appeared in the four season 7 stories, instead of being a phantom she should have been the one to accompany the Third Doctor in the Death Zone.
Yet another terrific (yeah right) cliffhanger with the Master creeping up beind the First Doctor and Tegan.

Wester · Joined: 04 Aug 2005 Posts: 610 Location: Brisbane

MikeYates · Joined: 24 Sep 2005 Posts: 98

Did i noticed there was no crediting for Mike Yates or Liz Shaw.

Davros · Joined: 29 Jun 2005 Posts: 139 Location: Skaro

This story was created to celebrate the 20 year of Doctor Who ...was there a 30th and what was done for it? ...the 40th was meant to be a BIG deal but I can't recall the BBC doing anything big about?

2014 will be 50 years of Doctor Who ...they better make this one a celebration!!

dave · Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 7:37 pm Post subject:

I gave this a very good, because I love it and have for 20 years or so. Seeing Pertwee and Troughton playing off one another again is a real treat, and having the Brigadier and Sarah Jane along too was great.

I've been thinking alot this week about what a pity it was that Tom didn't want to be a part of this, but I'm not sure it would have worked so well with him there. I just can't imagine his Doctor working well with any of the others, or taking a minor part in favour of Davisons' Doctor. I know these things would have been left to the writers, but it's quite possibly a good thing Baker declined.

Yet, I still find myself wishing he was there...

Sulp Niar · Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 7:45 pm Post subject:

What's the go with the Raston Warrior Robot? Is it one of the Doctor's old enemies that we've never seen, or is it an ancient "guardian" of the Death Zone that Rassilon put in to protect himself should anyone play the game too well (if he did, then why would he do the ring trap thing I guess...). Just interests me. The music in that scene was rocking and different to anything I had heard in Doctor Who before. It also worked, strangely.

It seems odd that the First Doctor is the one to work out the "he who wins loses" puzzle, considering he is the first incarnation. What does that say about his later incarnations - that they're stupid?

I was initially disappointed at Tom's absence but by the end of it I was very glad he wasn't there, because he wouldn't have been able to restrain himself, trying to steal the limelight from Davison. Same with the Dalek - initially disappointed that it was "cut" but then glad because the episode actually works better without that scene, since it is so superfluous.

The Cybermen are crap in this story. Damn pity that is, too.

Greg · Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 8:24 pm Post subject:

The Raston Warrior Robot is unexplained - whether it was there since the Dark Times or scooped in by Borusa. The helmet is impressive, but generally I didn't like it - especially the ultra-crap 'it moves to fast to see' effects.

There's a really nonsensical convention in Doctor Who whereby certain characters are known to be smart, so they must always be smarter than everyone around them. The Doctor's 1st incarnation is shown as smarter than nis next two in The Three Doctors (perhaps because Hartnell's illness meant he couldn't do anything but a few studio-bound scenes, so he's smarter than the others in The Five Doctors as well. He, of course, is the least experienced of the incarnations present, and hence each of the others should be as or more able to solve the puzzles.

The only possible explanation for it is this: As the earliest incarnation, the 1st Doctor's taps into his later incarnations minds telepathically and uses their metal powers to supplement his own. (And if you believe that, get you cheque beook out and take a look at this bridge...)

The Cybermen are used very much as generic monsters by Eric Saward - see also his short story Birth of a Renegade in the BBC 20th Anniversary special magazine for Cybermen as generic monsters.

dave · Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 8:41 pm Post subject:

Did those Cybermen in the final episode sound like cyber-chipmunks to anyone else, or was that just my TV?

As for the knowledge thing, I think I have a reasonable explanation. I think each regeneration is such a completely different personality that there's almost a degree of 'amnesia' involved, in a way. I'd say that whereas the Doctor can certainly remember things he may have done in a different incarnation, he may not be able to recall his thought processes at the time, as they were comletely alien to those of his present incarnation.
This helps explain why the 3rd Doctor knew venusian akido (or karate) whereas other incarnations didn't seem to, and explains other minor inconsistencies. Each new incarnation is a totally new personality, and although having memories from earlier incarnations, doesn't necessarily share all the knowledge they might have had.

Theta Sigma · Joined: 26 Jun 2005 Posts: 4254