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| The Caves of Androzani |
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ADAMK
Joined: 29 Jun 2005
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Kerr Avon
Joined: 15 Jul 2005
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Excellent!
shame we had to lose Davison after only three televised seasons - at least he went out on high. |
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dave
Joined: 26 Jun 2005
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Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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It'd be very difficult not to vote excellent for this one, although that dragon-thing the name of which escapes me was less than awe-inspiring.
In a way, I'm glad to see the end of Davison's Doctor, though it's highly unfortunate that he's followed by Colin Baker. I'm a big fan of the first four Doctors and Sylvester McCoy - Davison and Colin Baker never really impressed me.
The charcter of davison's Doctor seems mostly to consist of not noticing when his companions change their costumes! I had to laugh when I read this at the episode guide at Outpost Gallifrey:
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Indeed, at the onset of his run he was quite the "youngster" while by his final story, "The Caves of Androzani" he wore spectacles... proof positive that Davison's acting range ran the gamut. |
Yep, wearing spectacles marks the range of his acting in Doctor Who so far as I'm concerned.... |
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The Master_BeyondTheGrave
Joined: 18 Oct 2005
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peter davison's Dethronement  |
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The Master_BeyondTheGrave
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| Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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Indeed, at the onset of his run he was quite the "youngster" while by his final story, "The Caves of Androzani" he wore spectacles... proof positive that Davison's acting range ran the gamut. |
Yep, wearing spectacles marks the range of his acting in Doctor Who so far as I'm concerned....[/quote]
Peter Cushing version of the Doctor also wore spectacles...
Or something, wasn't it |
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Wester
Joined: 04 Aug 2005
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Location: Brisbane
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I agree. Caves is a great story, if not one of the best of all time (in terms of Dr Who). I really warmed to him by the time this came around. And what a rude shock we all got with the next lot of stories. I was the beginning of a slow tortuous decline in history of the show.  |
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Greg
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Joined: 26 Jun 2005
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| dave wrote: | | It'd be very difficult not to vote excellent for this one, although that dragon-thing the name of which escapes me was less than awe-inspiring. |
That's the magma beast. Like the Taran beast before it, it seems to have been included just so that there's a 'monster' in teh story. If they'd left it out, there'd be no loss to the story - I would have tought being boiled alive in the mud bursts would be enough of a threat for anyone! (Mind you, they'd need a new source of the fluid that saves Peri... not 100% certain why the milk of a queen bat should cure spectrox toxaemia myself, but it's more of a link than we've seen in some stories.) |
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Dazza
Joined: 05 Jul 2005
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Excellent. Easily the best Davison story and in the top ten of all Doctor Who stories.
Davison really nailed the part in his final stories and one wonders if he had stayed for another year would season 22 have be held in higher regard.
Sharez Jek is a great Robert Holmes character and is played very well by Christopher Gable. Well directed by Graeme Harper.
When this series first telecast I remember there was quite a wait after Planet of Fire while the ABC decided what to do with Caves. In the end they massacred the final episode with censorship cuts. Be interesting to see how episode four runs tomorrow night. The delay in screening Caves was holding back Twin Dilemma which we were most anxious to see.......how wrong we were. |
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arturo
Joined: 03 Jul 2005
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Location: Toowoomba
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I'm a bit funny with this story. whenever I think of it I have a negative reaction and think that I don't really like it all that much. Then I watch it and am reminded of how good Davo really was. It makes me wonder how much better he could have been with just one companion, instead of the super-teen-squad that joined him for all his other escapades.
I think part of my problem is with the Earthshock like cave element and The woeful Magma beast and from memory the cliffhanger to part three is a little dodgy.
so long Davo, we'll miss you |
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Kerr Avon
Joined: 15 Jul 2005
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| I think the cliffhanger at the end of part three is one of the best in the entire series. |
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meglos
Joined: 29 Jun 2005
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Location: Perth
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| Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Excellent, one of my favourite stories. I love the Sharaz Jek character. He still sends shivers down my spine! |
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SharazJek
Joined: 12 Aug 2005
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It doesn't get much better than this. Graeme Harper is easily one of if not my favourite director.
And as for the story that contains my favourite villain of all time.......I'll say no more. |
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Theta Sigma
Joined: 26 Jun 2005
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Caves of Androzani marks the return of former script editor Robert Holmes to the series after a five year break just as Graeme Harper makes his directorial debut.
Finally get an explanation over the celery since Peter Davison insisted on it.
For the character of Krelper, among those considered was Michael Craze formerly Ben Jackson in the 1960s. This suggestion was ultimately vetoed by Producer John Nathan-Turner due to his past connection with the series (even though Jacqueline Hill played a different character in the 1980 story Meglos during JNT's early tenure as Producer).
Roy Holder who eventually got to play Krelper was later cast by director Graeme Harper in the last episode of the short-lived BBC sci-fi series Star Cops called Little Green Men and Other Martians (in yet another Doctor Who association, Star Cops was created by past Doctor Who TV series writer and Blake's 7 script editor Chris Boucher).
Maurice Roeves (Stotz) had previously had a part in The Nightmare Man serial adapted by Robert Holmes and directed by Doctor Who veteran Douglas Camfield.
Roeves would later appear as Romulan Captain Tarus in the TNG episode The Chase (which incidentally was also the name of the 1965 Dalek serial). He is therefore one of a few actors who has appeared in both Doctor Who and Star Trek. (The DVD notes made a grammar error saying that he had appeared in both "Star Trek and Doctor Who" instead of "Doctor Who and Star Trek".)
Robert Glenister (Salateen) had worked with Peter Davison before, playing his brother in the TV series Sink or Swim.
In the DVD commentary, Peter Davison asks how Peri knew they were bombs when she found them.
The spectrox that Morgus gives to the President is actually milk in real life. So milk is good for you. Lol. |
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Wester
Joined: 04 Aug 2005
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The spectrox that Morgus gives to the President is actually milk in real life. So milk is good for you. Lol. |
LOL - I thought it was something like that. Thanks T.S - once again a mine of information.
I really enjoyed last nights double billing. Mind you, it will mean they will start wrapping up the series alot earlier next year.
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Dougy
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Excellent!
Only seen the first two part, but I'm loveing this! Sharez Jek makes the show here, all the other actors, Davidson included, pale in comparison! He's such a brillaint villan, evil, driven, a bit looney, just perfect. Can't wait to se how it ends! |
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Hornsby Dr Who Fan
Joined: 26 Jun 2005
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This is one of the best episodes I have seen. But its a pity that it was the end of the Fith doctor. I would like to see Peter Davison in one more series at least. But we can't change that. Now we have 1 doctor to go now. Since we have Colin Baker which only did 2 series. I hope they play more dalek episodes. I really miss Tegan. She was annoying but very good. I liked her very short black skirt she was wearing in Frontios. 
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Dougy
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| Yes, this story was trully brilliant, one of the best they have shown thus far! I too hope there will be more Daleks, its seems strange without htem. |
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Wester
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| Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 11:43 am Post subject: |
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Bye bye Peter Davison. It was the beginning of the end.........
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Theta Sigma
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| Wester wrote: |
LOL - I thought it was something like that. Thanks T.S - once again a mine of information.
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You're Welcome. Although I am not exactly Andrew Pixley I do present what information I can. 
With Peter Davison having left at the end of Caves of Androzani it is the final of what personally call the departures trilogy following Janet Fielding and Mark Stirckson in quick succession.
As mentioned before after the conclusion to Planet of Fire, Fiona Cumming was originally assigned to Caves of Androzani and Graeme Harper to Planet of Fire before they switched serials. Harper would later direct Revelation of the Daleks starring Colin Baker (which the ABC will not show due to the Terry Nation estate).
As a result of his classic series work, Harper is now a director in the new series. While Fiona Cumming did well with her direction of Planet of Fire, one could only speculate whether she would have been on the new series had she directed Caves of Androzani. After all Caves of Androzani is very noticeable as a regeneration story.
Counting both the old - including last month's screening of The Five Doctors - and the new series, the ABC has now shown all the Doctors except for Sylvester McCoy for 2005.
Half an hour after Caves of Androzani was concluded, Channel 10 showed the Smallville episode Fever which had a guest appearance by Michael David Simms (who was the hospital administrator Swift in the Paul McGann TV Movie) in which he plays another doctor. |
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dave
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| Is this the first story to get 100% excellent votes? Quite a milestone if it is. |
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