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ADAMK
Joined: 29 Jun 2005
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Theta Sigma
Joined: 26 Jun 2005
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Since the Paul McGann movie is not likely to be shown it is just Sylvester McCoy from now on as far as pre-2005 Who is concerned.
This means the classic series will end with Survival which starts on February 2 and concludes on February 3. February 3 is 24 days from now and today begins Time and the Rani which began season 24. Convenient timing. |
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Hiruma
Joined: 30 Jun 2005
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Location: Australia
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Way to not answer AdamK's question, Theta. So in other words you dont care either way on Time and the Rani. Personally I didnt like it much,Mel is an okay companion but well, I think Paradise Towers was a better way to explore her character, although if you dislike people with Cheerful 24/7 syndrome then I guess Mel isnt for you.
it's just a shame Mel got so little screen time and stories. She surely must be one of the companions who appeared in Doctor who the least |
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Davros
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| Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Hiruma wrote: | | it's just a shame Mel got so little screen time and stories. She surely must be one of the companions who appeared in Doctor who the least |
This is my first viewing of this story and the new Doc, first I've heard Mel squeel so much, a good set lung like alot of his previous companions  |
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Dazza
Joined: 05 Jul 2005
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This is just terrible......  |
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meglos
Joined: 29 Jun 2005
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It's not too bad, I just can't stand Mel  |
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Greg
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Joined: 26 Jun 2005
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| Some of the effects are quite good (notably the spinning thing that engulfs a character when the mine goes off), but what a poorly written story. Pip and Jane Baker are certainly never going to be on my list of authors whose work I like! |
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SharazJek
Joined: 12 Aug 2005
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| I still enjoy watching episode 1. Love it when I first saw it in 1988. Still do. |
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Beatly
Joined: 24 Jul 2005
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| I quite liked this one, although it's about ten years since I last saw it... The regeneration scene is pretty crappy, though. The Doctor has survived far more than a bump on the head in the past. This is in my opinion the weakest story in Sylvester McCoy's weakest season, although not his weakest story overall. |
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dunmall
Joined: 02 Aug 2005
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I've always loved Sylvester, he was my "first run" doctor when i was a kid, i had seen the others but they were repeats or I don't have as clear memories..
now onto time and the rani.....it is bad.
I have disliked doctor who before, I have found stories dull, boring or silly. But I have never ever though one was actually bad before, just not to my tastes.
Besides the rather impressive early CGI effects this is $%&#!
No wonder andrew cartmal was embarrased to have his name on it as script editor!
The plot is silly and pointless, the dialogue is terrible well I could go on but I wont just bring on Paradise Towers and the canibal grannies!!
P.S. Mel is actually kinda cute lol |
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Theta Sigma
Joined: 26 Jun 2005
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| Hiruma wrote: | | Way to not answer AdamK's question, Theta. So in other words you dont care either way on Time and the Rani. |
Wrong.
I only seen it once back in 1998 and have not formed a solid opinion of it. If you noticed my comments for the previous stories I don't comment on the episodes until they are shown. My previous post was just a fun tidbit about the end of the classic series with Survival being 24 days from yesterday as Time and the Rani begins season 24.
After telling Colin that he was no longer needed to be the Doctor the BBC due to a new policy limiting actors playing the Doctor for three years, asked him to do the quick regeneration scene. So furious with his sacking that Colin refused to cooperate which meant for Time and The Rani, Sylvester had to pretend he was Colin hence why we only see the Sixth Doctor's body and not his face before turning into the Seventh.
The Sixth Doctor costume that Sylvester wore is not exactly the same one worn by Colin since Sylvester is shorter than his predecessor. In fact Mel even mentions that this new Doctor has a different height.
The pre-title sequence had been used before to open up Castrovalva & The Five Doctors but they were both footage from past episodes. Time and the Rani is the first time that new material was shown prior to the title sequence. A pre-title sequence would then be used for Remembrance of the Daleks and the 1996 TV Movie before becoming a regular fixture on the new series.
Personally I quite like the theme arrangement and the title sequence. The theme arrangement sounds very good when played on audio only.
I quite like Sylvester in the Sixth Doctor costume. He looks much better in it than Colin did in his. Too bad he could not continue to wear it.
Prior to settling to his own attire the Seventh Doctor tries on the Fourth Doctor's crimson coat and hat but a different scarf, the Fifth Doctor's cricketing outfit and the Second Doctor's furcoat from The Five Doctors.
The Rani disguised as Mel slaps the Doctor which leads to his head hitting the mirror. Perhaps a joke about seven years bad luck if a mirror is broken since the Doctor is now in his seventh self.
Donald Pickering (Beyus) and Wanda Ventham (Faroon) had both appeared in the 1967 serial The Faceless Ones but I don't think their characters were seen together in that serial.
Hence begins the tenure of Andrew Cartmel as the classic series' last script editor. From the Regeneration book about the making of the TV Movie it says that John Nathan-Turner's time as Producer became more relaxed with Cartmel's arrival.
The McCoy era was smashed in the ratings by Coronation Street on ITV. Just as it was placed against Coronation Street back then, the McCoy era of Doctor Who is once again placed against its old foe as it is now on UKTV with double episodes at the same time as double classic Who is on the ABC. It should also be noted that UKTV was Doctor Who's home in the years prior to the ABC bringing back the classic series in 2003.
In fact McCoy bashing seems to be a defence for Colin's era since I remember looking at a website in 2001 which defended Colin's short tenure. It says that Colin had maintained the ratings from Peter's time but it plummetted when Sylvester took over. To be fair Colin was only sacked before Sylvester was even cast.
In 1986 the year before McCoy became the Doctor, he appeared on stage with Timothy Dalton - from the IMDB: "McCoy and Timothy Dalton appeared together on stage in 1986 in London, and complained to each other that long-term work was so hard to tfind. A year later, McCoy was Dr Who and Dalton was James Bond." |
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dave
Joined: 26 Jun 2005
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| The 7th Doctor also tried on Pertwee's outfit - the velvet jacket with the frills and stuff. Not sure how you missed that, TS! |
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Sulp Niar
Joined: 07 Nov 2005
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I think Mel screamed more in Episode 1 than Sarah Jane did in her entire run.
Nice tidbit about Syl and Dalton - funnily enough, both have the more edgy class to them than their predecessors, yet neither of them look evil.
So far, the story hasn't held much interest other than the fact that it is the first time I have seen Syl. Because of that, I'm watching his performance much more than the actual story (and the Rani's tits). So whenever he's not on screen, I get bored. But in all honesty, there are far worse stories than this, and I don't actually think Pip and Jane Baker are the worst story writers of the lot... |
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Wester
Joined: 04 Aug 2005
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Sorry not a favourite of mine.
I think the story is weak with the characterisations leaving much to be desired, HOWEVER, it is great to see Sylvester McCoy! |
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charlie
Joined: 08 Dec 2005
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Location: Currarong (never heard of it?! Its near Nowra. What?! Nowra's below The Gong!)
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I wish that the Locurtion had dived off that cliff to save Mel from drowning when she went near the water. That would have set apart them as a species for me. The doctor mixing up all those sayings amused me very much.
I really liked this story for some reason. I think it might be something to do with the fact that Sylvesters doctor is filmed and directed in a way that all the shows were when I was growing up in the nineties. I think this style has been subliminally programed into me because I was so young. Also the incidental music contributed quite alot to this along with the special effects. Another thing was that this story was eerily remenisent of Mighty Morphing Power Rangers, which was my favourite show when I was little, especially with The Rani commanding those four eyes things.
Subliminal programming might even be the reason why I like Doctor Who. Ive always known the title of Doctor who to be a Tv program but, with my being 5 years old, I thought it was some boring medical drama. |
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Theta Sigma
Joined: 26 Jun 2005
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| dave wrote: | | The 7th Doctor also tried on Pertwee's outfit - the velvet jacket with the frills and stuff. Not sure how you missed that, TS! |
Come to think of it I did see that outfit. Didn't occur to me that it used to belong to the Third Doctor.
There was a disruption to the title sequence when Part 3 of Time and the Rani started yesterday. The last time this happened during the current ABC rerun was with the opening episode of Horror of Fang Rock shown last year.
One of the voices for the brain was Peter Tuddendam in his third Doctor Who role after Ark In Space & Masque of Mandragora. Between Masque of Mandragora & Time and the Rani he of course became well known for voicing the computers Zen, Orac and Slave on Blake's 7. In fact director Andrew Morgan had worked with Tuddenham before when he directed the Blake's 7 episode Children of Auron.
Kate O'Mara is once again superb as The Rani.
The music is great and it is a better opening story (although not great) for Sylvester than Twin Dilemma was for Colin. |
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Kerr Avon
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| the dialogue was awful but I enjoyed McCoy's performance. |
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Tom N.
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| Kerr Avon wrote: | | the dialogue was awful but I enjoyed McCoy's performance. |
Yeah, my favourite was "A hologram! As substantial as the Rani's scruples."
TatR isn't so bad. It's nowhere near 'classic' status, but viewed on its own terms it's actually very enjoyable. The production team have obviously taken a more light-hearted approach and this is, after the general grimness of the Saward years, just what the doctor ordered (sorry). |
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