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Doctor Who Club of Australia
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Celebrating the 45th anniversary of Doctor Who
Sunday Nov 23rd at Drummoyne RSL Victoria Rd Drummoyne
11 am to 6 pm
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charlie
Joined: 08 Dec 2005
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Location: Currarong (never heard of it?! Its near Nowra. What?! Nowra's below The Gong!)
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| SharazJek wrote: | | Hey can I swap your 5 yo for my kids? I tell them all the time that 'I know eveything' and they don't believe me!! But hears the thing, just because they dont want to believe me in something eg. playing on the train tracks could be bad for your health, because either they've never seen a train or because they've never seen anyone killed by a train, does that make them right? |
This is irrelevant but, when I was five I believed that my dad knew everything. And that he could see through walls.
| SJ wrote: | | Tell me, is the God you have heard about from the Bible someone you have read about in the Bible itself, or someone you've heard about from your scripture teacher or priest. Because they're more than likely two very different individuals. |
My scripture teacher. I started reading the Bible but I only got through to something like genesis 34(pretty poor effort)
| Sharaz wrote: | Jehovah (the God of Israel) took great offence to Israel continuing to worship these other gods because they were man made. Jehovah often made comments like 'how can you worship something made when I made everything?'.
To illustrate: If I gave my daughter a teddy bear and she started calling it daddy, giving it kisses and cuddles, while ignoring me and treating me as if I didn't exist, I'd be pretty hurt. |
Yes I see what your saying, but I would be willing to bet that you dont tell your daughter that you are the only daddy in all creation.
| S Razzy wrote: | So more than being offended, God was actually hurt by Israel's continued rebellion. But everytime he withdrew his protection from them and the surrounding nations would begin to invade and start wiping them out, the Israelites would get all sad and sorry and come back to Jehovah, begging forgivness and asking for his protection again.
It amazes me how many times the Israelites kept basically giving God the finger and more so how many chances he kept giving them before their destruction by Babylon. (And even then the destruction was only temporary)
So the 'other gods' refered to in the Bible are the false gods that the nations surrounding Israel worshipped. They're not real. ie. They're false. |
Ahh but 'Charlie's theory' accounts for things like this. The theory goes that this is His world and noone else's so while there are other god's they dont have any influence on us. And when the people start misbehaving God chooses another to use and apparently God's 'forgiveness' means the Isrealites took his fancy on more than one occasion so they were simply the most appealing people. Today it would seem that He's not that interested in them. |
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SharazJek
Joined: 12 Aug 2005
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Location: Hobart, Tasmania
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I'm curious as to the methodology behind this finding faults with carbon dating. What about potassium/argon dating? Are all the dating methods used by science flawed? |
I have read that carbon dating is quite fallable. Don't ask me where, it was a long time ago. Prolly New Scientist or something. I like that mag.
I don't know much about other dating methods. Never really been interested in them.
One dating I was interested in was when the Maybrick Diary came out in the early '90's claiming to be the Diary of Jack The Ripper, as I follow Ripper developments/ conjecture when I can. But the dating methods used on the diary was very inconclusive, particularly for the critics who wanted to believe the diary was a forgery. On the other hand, those who believed the diary was genuine, found the same inconclusive data just as much in favour of their own arguments.
So I don't put much stock in scientific dating methods because, as shown in the example above, the same data can be used for both 'bias's'.
I know nothing about the other method you mentioned. |
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kangamac
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SharazJek
Joined: 12 Aug 2005
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Location: Hobart, Tasmania
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| charlie wrote: |
My scripture teacher. I started reading the Bible but I only got through to something like genesis 34(pretty poor effort) |
And there you go. So your own bias on God has been shaped to some degree on the bias on someone else.
Better to base your bias on the Bible I say. After all, that is the place to find out about him. Not from opinionated orators speaking from their proverbials, as well intentioned as they may be.
| charlie wrote: | | Yes I see what your saying, but I would be willing to bet that you dont tell your daughter that you are the only daddy in all creation. |
Your point being? I'm talking about something quite reasonable and easy to relate to, but your sounding as if you simply want to get some dirt of God for the hell of it.
Go for it if it makes you happy.
| charlie wrote: | | Ahh but 'Charlie's theory' accounts for things like this. The theory goes that this is His world and noone else's so while there are other god's they dont have any influence on us. And when the people start misbehaving God chooses another to use and apparently God's 'forgiveness' means the Isrealites took his fancy on more than one occasion so they were simply the most appealing people. Today it would seem that He's not that interested in them. |
God chooses another what to use?
The Bible says that the Israelites were far from the 'most appealing' people of the time. It says they were 'stiff-necked' & 'rebellious' and that they were often behaving in a worse manner to those nations surrounding them. God stuck with the Israelites because he made a promise to Abraham that he would. You would have read that (about God's promise to Abraham) if you got up to Genesis 34 Charlie.
On God's forgivness, the book of Jonah speaks about his forgiveness to a nation 'other' than Israel. He sends Jonah to Ninevah to let them know that God will wipe them out because of their badness. They repent, and God changes his mind. Incidentaly, Jonah was ticked off because of this change of mind, and he was taught a lesson on mercy and forgiveness.
My question today would be why the heck would God be interested in the Jews now? After they slaughtered his son (even the Romans didn't want to do that), why would he? Once God made good on his promise to David that the Messiah would come through his line, he has no further need of the Jews. Mind you, Jesus only ever preached to the Jews. It wasn't until after his death that the good news was preached to non-Jews or 'gentiles'. So the Jews did get a good chance in the overall scheme of things. |
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charlie
Joined: 08 Dec 2005
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Location: Currarong (never heard of it?! Its near Nowra. What?! Nowra's below The Gong!)
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| Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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| SharazJek wrote: | | charlie wrote: | | And when the people start misbehaving God chooses another to use and apparently God's 'forgiveness' means the Isrealites took his fancy on more than one occasion so they were simply the most appealing people. Today it would seem that He's not that interested in them. |
God chooses another what to use? |
Another people. He uses them to invade the Isrealites, teach them a lesson and get them back to respecting Him. 
| SharazJek wrote: | | The Bible says that the Israelites were far from the 'most appealing' people of the time. It says they were 'stiff-necked' & 'rebellious' and that they were often behaving in a worse manner to those nations surrounding them. |
Maybe I should have said 'most interesting' or 'most entertaining.' |
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SharazJek
Joined: 12 Aug 2005
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Location: Hobart, Tasmania
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Another people. He uses them to invade the Isrealites, teach them a lesson and get them back to respecting Him. |
Oh I got ya!
Yes, thats true. He also used other nations to 'help' the Israelites.
Cyrus of Persia was named in the scriptues about 200 years before he was born, as the one who would allow the previously captive Israelites return to there homeloand after being in Babylonian exile. (See Isaiah 44:28 - 45:1)
(As a sidepoint, Isaiah 45:1 prophecies that the gates of Babylon would be left open for Cyrus to invade. This happened.) |
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