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Postby charlie » Mon 08 Feb, 2010 15:27

I just watched the Three Doctors to see Omega again. Also I remember being frustrated by the Timelords knowing something that they shouldn't have due to lazy writing. Upon rewatching however, it may make sense. When the first doctor reports back to the timelords they ask something about Omega even though up to this point noone has told them anything about what's happening in the black hole. So like I said, seems like a lack of attention to detail. But the third Doctor tells Omega that he was lost to the black hole whilst Omega says that he was sacraficed and abandoned. Also, in Zagreus or whichever BF it was, they talk about Rassilon quickly taking advantage of omega's triumphs and dissappearance. So, considering all this and the questionable character of the Timelords it seems as if Rassilon deliberately let Omega fall into the black hole and then made a big cover up that the timelord in the Three Doctors just happens to be a protectorate of.

The reason i bring this up is that i was about to go and listen to Omega and was just wondering if the story is thoroughly researched and thought out like most of the BF's or is this something they missed and are about to spoil my nice longwinded little theory thus leaving the Three Doctors forever irking me OR is it a continuation of Omega's story bearing no consequences on his continuity?
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Re: Omega

Postby Sulp Niar » Mon 08 Feb, 2010 15:53

One of the main themes of the story is that history is something which can be looked at in different ways, and there's a lot of mystery about Omega in general. There's actually scant few revelations in general, just lots of suppositions. So no, from what I remember, it wouldn't contradict your theory.
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Re: Omega

Postby Greg » Mon 08 Feb, 2010 18:28

However... the audio Omega includes the best cliffhanger ever! I may have fallen out of my chair, had I been sitting down.

However, in terms of your question, it is probably worth remembering back when The Three Doctors was created, it was really a story when the Time Lords are considered to be all-powerful and benevolent beings - a view that didn't get a substantial revision until The Deadly Assassin. And, in fact, that story was the first time Rassilon was mentioned. Like a number of other characters, especially Time Lords, subsequent mentions and appearances tarnished the original impression we have of him (and of the Time Lord race in general).

As for the conflict between the 3rd Doctor's description of Omega's fate and that which Omega provided, I think the Time Lords simply assumed that, having fallen into a black hole, Omega must be dead. But Omega wasn't, and the lack of a rescue mission made him feel abandoned. Whether Rassilon had a hand in Omega's death is pure speculation - as, indeed, is whether the Time Lord history the Doctor learned is accurate or written to portray Omega as a martyr rather than a victim.
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Re: Omega

Postby charlie » Tue 09 Feb, 2010 13:27

Greg wrote:As for the conflict between the 3rd Doctor's description of Omega's fate and that which Omega provided, I think the Time Lords simply assumed that, having fallen into a black hole, Omega must be dead. But Omega wasn't, and the lack of a rescue mission made him feel abandoned. Whether Rassilon had a hand in Omega's death is pure speculation - as, indeed, is whether the Time Lord history the Doctor learned is accurate or written to portray Omega as a martyr rather than a victim.


Yeah but that's just the thing, at Timelord Control in episode four, noone has been told that Omega is involved or anything else about what's happening in there and yet they ask the first Doctor about Omega. So somehow they know he's in there. And given the nature of the Presidency I think that if there was a secret abandoning of Omega then the President might know about it. But then I spose they might have used some of their failing power reserves to look into the hole and see what was going on.
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Re: Omega

Postby Greg » Tue 09 Feb, 2010 17:15

charlie wrote:
Greg wrote:As for the conflict between the 3rd Doctor's description of Omega's fate and that which Omega provided, I think the Time Lords simply assumed that, having fallen into a black hole, Omega must be dead. But Omega wasn't, and the lack of a rescue mission made him feel abandoned. Whether Rassilon had a hand in Omega's death is pure speculation - as, indeed, is whether the Time Lord history the Doctor learned is accurate or written to portray Omega as a martyr rather than a victim.


Yeah but that's just the thing, at Timelord Control in episode four, noone has been told that Omega is involved or anything else about what's happening in there and yet they ask the first Doctor about Omega. So somehow they know he's in there. And given the nature of the Presidency I think that if there was a secret abandoning of Omega then the President might know about it. But then I spose they might have used some of their failing power reserves to look into the hole and see what was going on.


Yeah, that's the kind of thing that fans (and professionals!) use to build the backstory. Of course, one reason for issues in the script for The Three Doctors is that it was written with Hartnell's Doctor playing an active role much like his successors. However, despite Hartnell indicating he was up to it, his wife was horrified to learn that he was being given a considerable physical role, given how far his arteriosclerosis had progressed. The script was rewritten hurriedly to give Hartnell a part that had him largely motionless and reading his lines from an autocue, so it isn't surprising that some incomsistency creeping in. And then we use the inconsistency to build a complex history to fit in all the facts...
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